What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

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Something to understand what nurses think about re the Current News and their opinions!

[Beerman, BSN]

8 hours ago, Tweety said:

Lastly, I acknowledge that voter fraud exists and yes it's been a concern.  It has for decades, so why all of a sudden did more than a dozen states decide now was the time to address it?  You know why.  It is because Trump convinced people it was an issue and that's how he lost.

Or, because Democrats keep coming up with ways that expose and put our elections at risk of fraud. No excuse necessary mail in voting, ballots mailed without being requested, long early voting periods, drive in voting, etc.

So, you can say it's Trump's influence if you choose to look at it that way.  He's definitely in the heads of many haters.

I can't tell you how to think.

[MunoRN, RN]

17 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Or, because Democrats keep coming up with ways that expose and put our elections at risk of fraud. No excuse necessary mail in voting, ballots mailed without being requested, long early voting periods, drive in voting, etc.

So, you can say it's Trump's influence if you choose to look at it that way.  He's definitely in the heads of many haters.

I can't tell you how to think.

Except there's no evidence or reason to believe that any of those "expose and put our elections at risk of fraud".

Mail-in voting is the most secure voting mechanism, that's even according to the Trump administration.

I'm all for protecting a health democracy by ensuring the reliability of elections, but when politicians take steps that are intended to make it less likely the other side votes than it is to ensure the security of elections, that's not protecting democracy, it's the opposite.

[Beerman, BSN]

4 minutes ago, MunoRN said:

Except there's no evidence or reason to believe that any of those "expose and put our elections at risk of fraud".

Mail-in voting is the most secure voting mechanism, that's even according to the Trump administration.

I'm all for protecting a health democracy by ensuring the reliability of elections, but when politicians take steps that are intended to make it less likely the other side votes than it is to ensure the security of elections, that's not protecting democracy, it's the opposite.

What is it that you believe is being done to keep the other side from voting?

5 hours ago, Beerman said:

What is it that you believe is being done to keep the other side from voting?

Does your question reflect that you didn't bother to look at or read the citations that were offered which detail the concerns about republican legislation which were inspired by Trump's election lie? Tweety presented an article which provides a summary of the Texas bill concerns.  

 

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

8 hours ago, Beerman said:

Or, because Democrats keep coming up with ways that expose and put our elections at risk of fraud. No excuse necessary mail in voting, ballots mailed without being requested, long early voting periods, drive in voting, etc.

I didn't know that all those issues were Democrat ideas that were passed even in places like Wyoming, Arizona and Alaska, but again the issues and concerns about fraud have been debated for a while.  Trump loses and 19 states decide to address these concerns.  So yeah, it's Trump's influence.  

No sense harping on it.  It is what it is.

[Tweety, BSN, RN]

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The ad plays the "Let’s go Brandon" chant, as it shows headlines of issues plaguing the Biden administration — like rising inflation, the botched withdrawal from Afghanistan, a surge in crime, and record-high illegal border crossings. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-senate-race-dave-mccormick-to-air-lets-go-brandon-ad-during-super-bowl

I'm no prude but when a Democrat congressman from PA flipped Trump the bird on Twitter, I called it out as low class.   So while pointing out all the problems of the Biden administration is effective, using "Let's Go Brandon" is low class.  But political ads from both sides tend to be low class.   LOL

[Beerman, BSN]

1 minute ago, Tweety said:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pennsylvania-senate-race-dave-mccormick-to-air-lets-go-brandon-ad-during-super-bowl

I'm no prude but when a Democrat congressman from PA flipped Trump the bird on Twitter, I called it out as low class.   So while pointing out all the problems of the Biden administration is effective, using "Let's Go Brandon" is low class.  But political ads from both sides tend to be low class.   LOL

I agree.  I think the office itself deserves a certain amount of respect.  Flipping the bird and Let's Go Brandon chants are not only disrespectful, but they create more anger and division.

[Beerman, BSN]

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Does your question reflect that you didn't bother to look at or read the citations that were offered which detail the concerns about republican legislation which were inspired by Trump's election lie? Tweety presented an article which provides a summary of the Texas bill concerns.  

 

Why do you often pose questions formed from false pretenses with the purpose of deflecting from the discussion?

I read Tweety's articles, as well as others.  

I asked Muno how those laws will affect one side but not the other?

[Beerman, BSN]

On 2/10/2022 at 7:09 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

15 boxes of documents.  Fifteen.  Classified and Top Secret documents included in the archivable lot. Torn up and taped back together documents.  That's all known fact. 

That kind of handling of government documents is worth a look-see, right?

 

 

How titilated you must be.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/in-americas-uncivil-war-republicans-are-the-aggressors/amp/

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Gretchen Helmke, a political scientist at the University of Rochester who studies the state of democratic governments around the world, said, “There is a marked asymmetry between the two parties,” with Republicans more engaged in “playing constitutional hardball and taking actions that are still within the letter of the law but [that] may violate the spirit of the law or common-sense ideas about fairness and political equality.”

Those types of actions are much harder to find on the Democratic side. There is no campaign by Democratic elected officials to disenfranchise white evangelical Christians, a constituency that overwhelmingly backs GOP candidates, just as Black voters overwhelmingly back Democratic candidates. There was no widespread, systematic attempt by Democratic officials four years ago to disqualify the votes that elected Trump or to spur Democratic voters to attack the Capitol to prevent the certification of his presidency. While the left-wing antifa movement has violent tendencies, it isn’t an organized group — nor is it aligned with Biden or Democrats. And at least right now, national security experts describe right-wing violence as a much bigger danger in America than any violent behavior from the left. In an October 2020 report, the Department of Homeland Security called violent white supremacists the “most persistent and lethal threat in the Homeland.”

And, of course, Democrats did not embrace an anti-democratic figure like Trump as their standard-bearer. There are no Democratic politicians in Congress implying that conservative politicians are such dangers to the country that they should be killed.

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Susan Hyde, a political scientist at University of California, Berkeley, who studies democracy and democratic backsliding both in the U.S. and abroad, said that Republican voters tolerated the party’s anti-democratic tendencies because the party’s elites signaled that it was OK to do so. “Republican politicians have been lying to their own voters, and they need to stop doing that if we are going to have peace,” said Hyde, who was referring specifically to the false belief among a large bloc of Republican voters that Trump won the election.

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The war is not completely one-sided, however. Liberals and Democrats are trying to enact what amounts to an equality agenda — to create a new America where LGBTQ Americans can openly participate in any institution; women can join and lead any institution; and women, Black people, Native Americans and other traditionally marginalized groups can have as much power, wealth and representation as the shares of the population they represent.

Through legislation, lawsuits and other means, liberals and Democrats are pressing this agenda aggressively, over the objections of conservatives. Same-sex marriage has been legalized, and some legal protections have been extended to transgender Americans. Liberals are trying to outlaw the death penalty while trying to enshrine into law the right to use marijuana. They are pushing for a dramatic rethinking of American institutions, including the church and the police, and in some ways a rethinking of America itself.

And liberals and Democrats, believing that their equality agenda is right and just, increasingly cast those who oppose it in very negative terms like “racist” and “sexist.” Views held by even many Democrats a decade ago — opposition to same-sex marriage and skepticism that racial discrimination is a major barrier to Black advancement in America — are now sharply criticized. These criticisms are at the root of conservative complaints that American culture is too “politically correct” or that those who dissent from the liberal view must be “canceled.” And in some instances, liberal pressure does result in conservatives being denied platforms: Twitter suspended Trump’s account, for example, and Simon and Schuster canceled a book deal with Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley.

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Of course, some conservative behavior, like trying to make it harder for Black people to vote, probably should be both shamed and called out as racist. That said, it’s important to understand that some liberal and Democratic policies will require conservative Christians in particular to live in a changed America that they simply do not wish to live in. And the liberal focus on ideas like systemic racism and white supremacy has left many conservatives feeling that their individual behaviors and choices are being unfairly cast as racist.

Conservatives “are reacting to something real,” said Zimmer. “Their version of ‘Real America’ — a white, Christian America — is under threat. Republicans are convinced they are waging a noble war against the demise of ‘Real America.’ Conservatives think their backs are against the wall.”

“[On the left] there is a demand for more redistribution and laws and programs that help some people and not others,” said Vasabjit Banerjee, a political scientist at Mississippi State University who studies political conflicts. For example, he described Black Lives Matter as a “form of status redistribution,” that might be threatening to non-Black Americans because the movement’s goal is to, in effect, make Black people truly “full citizens” in America, equal to white Americans.

Reflecting on the actions of both sides, you can see why conservative attacks on liberals are much more problematic than the inverse. And that’s why it is hard to imagine Biden being able to unify America or end this uncivil war — his side is not the one feeling most aggrieved and taking anti-democratic, even violent, measures to win.

 

52 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Why do you often pose questions formed from false pretenses with the purpose of deflecting from the discussion?

I read Tweety's articles, as well as others.  

I asked Muno how those laws will affect one side but not the other?

What was the false pretense again? The citations explain the concern and describe the situation.  

Your question doesn't reflect that you read the articles. 

Perhaps the republicans who forward such legislation don't consider anyone who might live in the areas adversely affected as on their "side". Maybe those republican law makers don't really care if some conservative voters are adversely affected by the laws as long as most of those affected seem more likely to vote democrat. Why do you think that republican law makers don't care if their legislation makes it harder for people to vote?

It's not acceptable for the voting rights of Americans, regardless of political leanings, to be limited or made less accessible by the legislative actions of politicians. 

21 minutes ago, Beerman said:

How titilated you must be.

Sure.

 I guess that simply discussing the details or facts surrounding yet another Trumpian scandal involving refusal to follow rules or regulations might appear titillating to someone who prefers to ignore that sort of thing.  The evidence definitely points in that direction.