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Texas counties reject unprecedented numbers of mail ballots ahead of March 1 primary under restrictive new law

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/11/texas-voting-law-ballots-rejected-poll-watchers/

Are those Texans looking for ways to throw out ballots? 

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Texas counties reject unprecedented numbers of mail ballots ahead of March 1 primary under restrictive new law

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/11/texas-voting-law-ballots-rejected-poll-watchers/

Are those Texans looking for ways to throw out ballots? 

The ballots were returned to the voter.  They'll get another chance to follow directions and include their state ID number on their ballot.

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34 minutes ago, Beerman said:

The ballots were returned to the voter.  They'll get another chance to follow directions and include their state ID number on their ballot.

Just Texas republicans sharing their fiscally conservative approach to making voting easy and convenient following the most secure presidential election ever conducted.  Right?

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There's a lot to be said for reading and following instructions.  

4 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Just Texas republicans sharing their fiscally conservative approach to making voting easy and convenient following the most secure presidential election ever conducted.  Right?

I've said it before, if there was massive voter fraud I could see that reform should be made, but to me their hearts aren't in a good place. 

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7 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Just Texas republicans sharing their fiscally conservative approach to making voting easy and convenient following the most secure presidential election ever conducted.  Right?

Why isn't the ballot number already attached to the ballot?  That's crazy and serves no purpose except to de-certify votes.

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27 minutes ago, Tweety said:

There's a lot to be said for reading and following instructions.  

I've said it before, if there was massive voter fraud I could see that reform should be made, but to me their hearts aren't in a good place. 

Showing that you are the person the ballot is intended for isn't unreasonable, imo.  

 

28 minutes ago, subee said:

Why isn't the ballot number already attached to the ballot?  That's crazy and serves no purpose except to de-certify votes.

The ballot needs the voters' ID number to show it was that voter who completed the ballot. If it was already attached,  that would defeat the purpose of it.

The law applies to both Democrats and Republicans.

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14 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Showing that you are the person the ballot is intended for isn't unreasonable, imo.  

 

The ballot needs the voters' ID number to show it was that voter who completed the ballot. If it was already attached,  that would defeat the purpose of it.

The law applies to both Democrats and Republicans.

Intentionally creating unnecessary obstacles and stumbling blocks for voters for no good reason should be a concern for all voters, both republican and democrat. For some odd reason republican voters don't seem to care if their republican elected officials make it more complicated, inconvenient or difficult to vote but democratic voters will fight for their constitutional rights too. 

Why are republican voters comfortable with the slow erosion of constitutional rights?

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14 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Intentionally creating unnecessary obstacles and stumbling blocks for voters for no good reason should be a concern for all voters, both republican and democrat. For some odd reason republican voters don't seem to care if their republican elected officials make it more complicated, inconvenient or difficult to vote but democratic voters will fight for their constitutional rights too. 

Why are republican voters comfortable with the slow erosion of constitutional rights?

Proving who you are and that you have the right to vote isn't  unneccesary, or a obstacle.  And, if voting isn't important to you enough to be slightly inconvenienced by getting a ID, be that you're a Republican or Democrat, I really don't feel bad if you don't get to vote.

A vast majority of voters are in favor of voter ID laws, according to many polls.  

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Yes.  People favor voter ID laws.  To me it's a non-issue because Florida has always had one.  Identifying who you are to vote is reasonable.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/21/80-of-americans-support-voter-id-rules-but-fewer-worried-about-fraud-poll-finds/?sh=5adfb22f1e0b

It's the sudden concern for unproven voter fraud, based on lies and fear based rhetoric, that really has me suspect that Republicans are suddenly concerned.  It has shown the new laws make it harder to vote, not impossible, but why are they making it harder to vote when the system really didn't involve widespread fraud?  Trump lost the election and states went into action......hmmmmmm

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Proving who you are and that you have the right to vote isn't  unneccesary, or a obstacle.  And, if voting isn't important to you enough to be slightly inconvenienced by getting a ID, be that you're a Republican or Democrat, I really don't feel bad if you don't get to vote.

A vast majority of voters are in favor of voter ID laws, according to many polls.  

Yeah, republican legislators would like us to believe that it's all just innocent attempts to keep elections secure.  That explanation works for those who don't want to look any further than those excuses for making voting less accessible for no good reason. 

https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/block-the-vote-voter-suppression-in-2020/

But voter identification isn't the focus of many of the new laws...and there was a flurry of new republican laws after Trump lost in the most secure election in our history. 

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/voting-laws-roundup-december-2021

 

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1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Yes.  People favor voter ID laws.  To me it's a non-issue because Florida has always had one.  Identifying who you are to vote is reasonable.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/06/21/80-of-americans-support-voter-id-rules-but-fewer-worried-about-fraud-poll-finds/?sh=5adfb22f1e0b

It's the sudden concern for unproven voter fraud, based on lies and fear based rhetoric, that really has me suspect that Republicans are suddenly concerned.  It has shown the new laws make it harder to vote, not impossible, but why are they making it harder to vote when the system really didn't involve widespread fraud?  Trump lost the election and states went into action......hmmmmmm

Yes, people do favor voter ID laws.  That is what the returned ballots in Texas is about.  Nothing more.

I wouldn't say it's a sudden concern.  And,  how has it been shown that it's significantly "harder to vote" because of any of the new laws?

While voting fraud may not be "widespread", it does exist.  Many bad things aren't widespread or common, until they are.  Common sense laws are needed and reasonable,  even if it makes it a little harder.

I can understand how you might feel that some or many republicans hearts aren't in the right place with some of these laws.  Likewise, I feel that many Democrats aren't in the right place when they want mail ballots sent to everyone, whether they request them or not.  Thry don't want people to have to show ID's.  Or they send out ballot harvestors to collect from those who haven't voted.  Or, that the courts instead of the legislature or voters change voting processes, as did happen in some places before the 2020 election.

When our president says that the new laws are equivalent to Jim Crow laws,  or that Republicans want to put black people "back in chains, I feel that his heart definitely isn't in the right place.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Yes, people do favor voter ID laws.  That is what the returned ballots in Texas is about.  Nothing more.

I wouldn't say it's a sudden concern.  And,  how has it been shown that it's significantly "harder to vote" because of any of the new laws?

While voting fraud may not be "widespread", it does exist.  Many bad things aren't widespread or common, until they are.  Common sense laws are needed and reasonable,  even if it makes it a little harder.

I can understand how you might feel that some or many republicans hearts aren't in the right place with some of these laws.  Likewise, I feel that many Democrats aren't in the right place when they want mail ballots sent to everyone, whether they request them or not.  Thry don't want people to have to show ID's.  Or they send out ballot harvestors to collect from those who haven't voted.  Or, that the courts instead of the legislature or voters change voting processes, as did happen in some places before the 2020 election.

When our president says that the new laws are equivalent to Jim Crow laws,  or that Republicans want to put black people "back in chains, I feel that his heart definitely isn't in the right place.

 

 

Fair enough I suppose to say "but your side does it too".  Obviously it's all politics when the public doesn't really care.  

Like I said the new voting laws don't make it impossible to vote.   I find it rather easy myself.  So no, the changes weren't all that radical that people can't vote.

Lastly, I acknowledge that voter fraud exists and yes it's been a concern.  It has for decades, so why all of a sudden did more than a dozen states decide now was the time to address it?  You know why.  It is because Trump convinced people it was an issue and that's how he lost.  So you can say it's not a "sudden" concern if you choose to look it that way, I can't tell you how to think.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/ap-explainer-how-texas-law-makes-voting-harder/2736064/

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/10/04/politics/voting-laws-restrictive-map-october/index.html

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