What do you think about with current News and Opinions?

Tweety, BSN, RN · Feb 7, 2022

12 minutes ago, Beerman said:

I wasn't judging the source. A biased source doesn't neccessarily mean that it's wrong.

I was simply pointing out the irony of someone who spends a remarkable amount of time pontificating about others' choices of media sources decides to use a far-left one to make his point.

My point and you don't have to agree with it is that Vox is not as you say a "far left one" and is a good source to make a point. But I get it, you might have noticed I called it out that immediately dismissing a source without discussion isn't right.

Guests · Feb 7, 2022

18 minutes ago, Tweety said:

My point and you don't have to agree with it is that Vox is not as you say a "far left one" and is a good source to make a point. But I get it, you might have noticed I called it out that immediately dismissing a source without discussion isn't right.

TBH I read the vast majority of the citations offered here no matter the source and discuss the content while also making note of the quality and accuracy of the information, you do too. I think that most members who participate in these threads read and comment on the articles as well as comment upon the quality of the source. There have, over the years, been only a few conservative members who refused to read or consider content that they deemed too leftist. That meant that they didn't read most of what was offered here for our consideration and discussion. That's when we saw lots of dismissal of sources without discussion.

Most of us are here to discuss these topics. I know I am. If I just wanted to bicker with argumentative conservatives I would spend this time on FB.

Beerman, BSN · Feb 7, 2022

38 minutes ago, Tweety said:

My point and you don't have to agree with it is that Vox is not as you say a "far left one" and is a good source to make a point. But I get it, you might have noticed I called it out that immediately dismissing a source without discussion isn't right.

According to this chart, that others have posted here before, Vox is far-left.

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

Guests · Feb 7, 2022

9 minutes ago, Beerman said:

According to this chart, that others have posted here before, Vox is far-left.

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

Regardless of your feelings about the bias, Vox reports in an accurate and reliable fashion and is considered to be in the "more accurate" category. Accuracy matters more than bias, IMO. You, yourself have noted that bias isn't a predictor of quality reporting, but accuracy is. Now you seem to be attempting to make a narrower point. Why is bias more important to you than accuracy?

subee, MSN, CRNA · Feb 8, 2022

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Regardless of your feelings about the bias, Vox reports in an accurate and reliable fashion and is considered to be in the "more accurate" category. Accuracy matters more than bias, IMO. You, yourself have noted that bias isn't a predictor of quality reporting, but accuracy is. Now you seem to be attempting to make a narrower point. Why is bias more important to you than accuracy?

Exactly! Liberal media contains more truth in it's reporting (being critical of the own guys) but the hard-core on Fox just lie. The recent "John Hopkins study" is one example of their bait and switch strategy. And so many of their commentators are down right nasty people who appeal to our worst instincts. Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham come to mind. LI, in particular, just ignores facts to bolster ratings and neither one ADDS anything helpful to literate discourse. With the exception of very few conservative outlets, most arch right wingers March to Trump's baton in an attempt to manipulate the gullible as opposed to providing useful reporting of the mundane, boring facts of what the government did today.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Feb 8, 2022

4 hours ago, Beerman said:

According to this chart, that others have posted here before, Vox is far-left.

https://www.allsides.com/media-bias/media-bias-chart

Gotcha. Thanks for posting that. I don't remember seeing it here, but I've been working overtime. I don't agree that Vox is "far left".

Anyway, I have seen this one posted here and tend to agree with it a bit more.

Guests · Feb 8, 2022

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Gotcha. Thanks for posting that. I don't remember seeing it here, but I've been working overtime. I don't agree that Vox is "far left".

Anyway, I have seen this one posted here and tend to agree with it a bit more.

I agree that the ad fontes comparison that evaluates accuracy as well as bias is more helpful.

Guests · Feb 8, 2022

This is interestingly dishonest...

https://www.cbs46.com/florida-seniors-say-their-political-party-affiliation-was-switched-without-their-knowledge/article_17db6e5b-ada2-51fe-8e37-c8ed027fea59.html?block_id=1021084

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Some senior citizens in Florida said they were duped into changing their political party affiliation to Republican.

All of the victims were older than 65 and live in Miami-Dade County.

A visit to the Miami-Dade County Elections Department shows that information on every registered voter in the county can be obtained for $20.

That’s how an official third-party voter registration organization – of which there are hundreds in Florida – can target voters like Armando Selva.

“They came to my door and they asked if I was interesting in voting,” said Selva, who was originally registered as No Party Affiliate (NPA).

Decades-long Democrats were shocked to learn that after voter registration visitors came by in November – whom the voters described as having red Republican Party of Florida hats and IDs – they received new voter ID cards showing their parties had switched.

“They changed me to the Republican Party,” said Juan Carlos Salazar, a longtime Democrat.

In the last year, records from the Miami-Dade County Elections Department show almost 5,500 Miami-Dade Democrats switched to Republican, and just under 1,700 Republicans switched to Democrat.

While the Republican Party of Florida has not responded to the recent allegations, in December the executive director of the party, Helen Aguirre Ferré, said the party follows laws and regulations and doesn’t make changes to voters’ registration without their permission.

The third-party voter registration organizations that assist with registration forms are legal, and all of them are registered with the state of Florida.

Didn't DeSantis brag about increasing numbers in the Florida Republican party last autumn? Was he just fooled by the con or was he part of it?

MunoRN, RN · Feb 8, 2022

On 2/7/2022 at 6:32 AM, Beerman said:

The permits are granted on previously sold leases. He's legally required to grant them, although some believe there are ways he could slow it down.

The reason he is doing so many is because the president before him sold so many leases.

I'm not sure what regulations you think Republicans and DeSantis want more of?

I think you've got that a bit backwards, leases are legally required to be distributed, permits are up to the BLM's discretion. Republican Governors DeSantis and Kemp both advocated for full bans on the offshore drilling Trump had opened up, Biden only implemented some relatively minor restrictions. So I'm not really sure how any of that supports the idea that Biden is rabidly anti-oil production.

On 2/7/2022 at 6:32 AM, Beerman said:

Yes. Let the free market dictate the future of renewables.

The free market is dictating the future of renewables and it's a future that we aren't in, that's the problem. Why does the push for energy independence only apply to the oil era and not the one that follows?

nursej22, MSN, RN · Feb 8, 2022

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

This is interestingly dishonest...

https://www.cbs46.com/florida-seniors-say-their-political-party-affiliation-was-switched-without-their-knowledge/article_17db6e5b-ada2-51fe-8e37-c8ed027fea59.html?block_id=1021084

Didn't DeSantis brag about increasing numbers in the Florida Republican party last autumn? Was he just fooled by the con or was he part of it?

But if any reporter asks him or his spokesperson about it, they will accuse the Democrats of attacking him.

From reports I've read, he is always blameless, and always being attacked.

Classic behavior for a Trump wanna be.

Beerman, BSN · Feb 8, 2022

1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

I think you've got that a bit backwards, leases are legally required to be distributed, permits are up to the BLM's discretion. Republican Governors DeSantis and Kemp both advocated for full bans on the offshore drilling Trump had opened up, Biden only implemented some relatively minor restrictions. So I'm not really sure how any of that supports the idea that Biden is rabidly anti-oil production.

The free market is dictating the future of renewables and it's a future that we aren't in, that's the problem. Why does the push for energy independence only apply to the oil era and not the one that follows?

No, I have it correct.

But, I'm not really interested in debating it. You seem to be trying to argue that Biden is more fossil fuel industry friendly than Trump or that a President DeSantis would be. We all know that's not the case.

Beerman, BSN · Feb 8, 2022

55 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

But if any reporter asks him or his spokesperson about it, they will accuse the Democrats of attacking him.

From reports I've read, he is always blameless, and always being attacked.

Classic behavior for a Trump wanna be.

You're point might make some sense if you were making this comment when he actually is to blame.

Instead, your responding to a poster who just threw out a wild accusation with nothing to back it up. It seems you're kinda proving DeSantis point.