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toomuchbaloney · Jan 1, 2022

Wouldn't it be expected that we would see increased numbers of infected people admitted for non covid related health complaints as 1) vaccination rates increase, 2) less lethal but more contagious variants arise and 3) testing is routinely encouraged and sought at health facilities.

Children have long been relatively impervious to most coronavirus infections. RSV, Influenza and adenovirus infections have been more likely to cause children serious illness resulting in hospitalization. It's good news that this omicron variant isn't causing severe illness in children.

Beerman, BSN · Jan 1, 2022

1 hour ago, subee said:

Gotcha finally:) I'm sure the data about who is admitted with a primary dx. of Covid vs. the incidental finding of Covid is easy. Just bring up the ICD codes along with the procedure codes and it should be obvious.

Yes, it should be easy, for whoever compiles and releases data. But, I've never seen it.

I don't have access to that info at my hospital, let alone the state or country.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 2, 2022

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's good news that this omicron variant isn't causing severe illness in children.

I think overall the omicron variant isn't causing as severe illness as other variants, especially Delta. I'm reading because it doesn't attack the respiratory system.

But children lately have seen an increase in hospitalizations thus the attention it's getting. Still considering the millions of kids out there the number of them hospitalized seems a very tiny percentage.

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In the last four weeks, the average number of children hospitalized with Covid-19 jumped 52 percent, from a low of 1,270 on Nov. 29 to 1,933 on Sunday, according to an NBC News analysis of Department of Health and Human Services data.

In the same time period, adult Covid hospitalizations increased 29 percent, suggesting that pediatric hospitalizations rose at nearly twice the rate.

The number of kids hospitalized with Covid has more than doubled in 10 states, as well as in Washington, D.C., and Puerto Rico, according to the analysis. The data does not specify whether the children were vaccinated or vaccine-eligible.

But the states that have contributed the most to the rise in pediatric hospitalizations are Florida, Illinois, New Jersey, New York and Ohio.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/child-covid-hospitalizations-are-5-states-are-rise-rcna10089

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 2, 2022

I hate talking about covid as much as I do Trump, but here we are. LOL

Anyway, in a now deleted Tweet the House GOP tweeted "If the booster shot works, why don't they work?" Clearly this was in response to the record breaking number of people getting infected with covid, including the vaccinated.

It's disappointing that they don't understand that the vaccine doesn't stop people from being covid positive and evidence is coming in that boosters are effective.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/31/politics/republican-judiciary-committee-deletes-tweet-covid-vaccine-disinfo/index.html?fbclid=IwAR06pR8LwCOSg0YtqsiyAwkGhzyVAVpMVGO0vLhWH5A2GzRbtChVUxjAnB4

Studies are looking good that boosters are effective, and there's anecdotal from hospitals saying that hospitalizations are low for people with boosters that it's the unvaccinated or those that received their vaccination too long ago and not a booster that are hospitalized more. I think it's too soon for stats on that.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/booster-shots-and-omicron-how-effective-are-they-heres-what-data-shows/2718184/

Even the inflammatory NY Post published an article comparing the current rate of hospitalization of the unvaccinated vs. the vaccinated in rates per 100% is very much skewed towards the unvaccinated. But it doesn't mention whether those hospitalized vaccinated people had the booster or not.

https://nypost.com/2021/12/30/nyc-hospitalization-rate-for-unvaccinated-nearly-1-in-1000/

Beerman, BSN · Jan 2, 2022

14 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Wouldn't it be expected that we would see increased numbers of infected people admitted for non covid related health complaints as 1) vaccination rates increase, 2) less lethal but more contagious variants arise and 3) testing is routinely encouraged and sought at health facilities.

Yes. Even more of a reason to know how many covid hospitalized vs positive but not sick.

toomuchbaloney · Jan 2, 2022

3 hours ago, Beerman said:

Yes. Even more of a reason to know how many covid hospitalized vs positive but not sick.

Do you believe that hospitals are housing covid positive individuals who are not sick or are not in need of inpatient care? Do you think that the hospitals in your area are inaccurately reporting covid admissions or deaths?

Do you think that the new ways that covid data and hospital capacity information were supposed to be reported to the government (HHS now manages that data) for compilaton and analysis, beginning in 2020, helped or hindered learning the information you seem to desire?

Did you read GAO report from last year that discussed how those changes in that last administration negatively impacted the analysis?

gao-21-600.pdf

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 2, 2022

I think Beerman, and myself, mean they are in the hospital but not sick with covid. He probably should have put "with covid" at the end. The broken ankle scenerio. They are counted as a covid positive patient but not sick with covid.

Very very unlikely doctors are admitting patients with covid that aren't sick.

Beerman, BSN · Jan 2, 2022

10 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do you believe that hospitals are housing covid positive individuals who are not sick or are not in need of inpatient care? Do you think that the hospitals in your area are inaccurately reporting covid admissions or deaths?

Do you think that the new ways that covid data and hospital capacity information were supposed to be reported to the government (HHS now manages that data) for compilaton and analysis, beginning in 2020, helped or hindered learning the information you seem to desire?

Did you read GAO report from last year that discussed how those changes in that last administration negatively impacted the analysis?

gao-21-600.pdf

The State of Colorado covid data webpage today says that there are 1,125 hospitalized patients with covid.

I would simply like to know how many of them are in the hospital because they are sick from covid as opposed to testing positive but they are there for a broken leg.

Is it 95%? 50%? I've watched this data since the beginning, and that info has never been available.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Jan 2, 2022

I will say the good news is that people don't seem to be getting as sick as they did with delta. During the delta surge during the Summer here people were being hospitalized at a much higher rate, and very sick, and we didn't have nearly the number of covid positive people that we have now. We're shattering records for positives and apparently the percent of positivity is about 26%. But hospitalizations remain below the Delta surge,...so far.

A coworker caught it and thought he just had a minor cold, he had the booster and returned to work in 5 days after testing positive. My niece caught it was sick for a couple of days and she had the booster. A coworker is got quite sick and had two vaccines but wasn't bolstered but got well quick. Another coworker that got sick for a month in the Summer, got it again and got over it quickly. She's not vaccinated. Another unvaccinated coworker got it for the first time and felt rough for a couple of days and recovered fast as well.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Jan 2, 2022

21 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I think Beerman, and myself, mean they are in the hospital but not sick with covid. He probably should have put "with covid" at the end. The broken ankle scenerio. They are counted as a covid positive patient but not sick with covid.

Very very unlikely doctors are admitting patients with covid that aren't sick.

Of course, no one with mild Covid is being hospitalized. What is Beerman thinking? That it's a Democratic plot to record a positive Covid test in a hospital record? It wasn't the presenting complaint that brought the patient to the hospital but they did test positive. Even positive tests done in the streets have to be recorded and it's understood that a lot of those people aren't sick. Well, at least I thought people understood that:) Darn, overestimated humanity again.

toomuchbaloney · Jan 2, 2022

3 hours ago, Beerman said:

The State of Colorado covid data webpage today says that there are 1,125 hospitalized patients with covid.

I would simply like to know how many of them are in the hospital because they are sick from covid as opposed to testing positive but they are there for a broken leg.

Is it 95%? 50%? I've watched this data since the beginning, and that info has never been available.

As we begin the next phase of this pandemic the data points change. Why do you think that data was not reported that way before now? The CDC analyzes that hospital data and communicates it to the public typically. They get that data differently now. States could report some of the real time diagnosis data.

Beerman, BSN · Jan 2, 2022

5 hours ago, subee said:

Of course, no one with mild Covid is being hospitalized.

Yes, some do. For example, someone admitted with an appendicitis gets tested and happens to be positive. They may not have even suspected they had it. Or, they may have had it in the last three months.