I have been reseaching vaccinations lately, out of curiosity...
Before the age of 18 months children are given between 22 and 30 vaccines. By the age of 5 they are given 38. Now, mercury has been found at toxic levels in these shots...even for adults.
So, my question is this: How many of you RN's would delay your childs vaccination schedule? How do you feel about the 22-30 vaccines given to a child before 18 months?
I do not feel it is neccessary at birth or in infancy... I mean, Hep B shots at birth? Polio? DpT, etc. I do not feel that delaying vaccines until 2-3 would increase the risk of the child getting these diseases.
In fact, I read where there is no correlation in third world countries between vaccines and decreased infectious diseases. But that there was correlation between good hygiene and diet and decreased infectious diseases (the dieseases decreased by 95%)
I read that babies at 1.5 years were normally developing and after the vaccines their development (physically, mentally, etc) slowed severely and were diagnosed with Autism (oddly enough Autism and Mercury poisoning have almost exact symptoms...)
Like I said, I have just began researching the correlation between Autism and vaccines...and was wondering how people in the medical community felt. And I do not have kids yet, so its just research that caught my eye lol
I set up my own schedule of vaccination for my daughters, based on my own research and what I felt was important for my family and my community. While my children's doctor did not agree with me regarding the standard American vaccination schedule, she was respectful of my decisions and performed the vaccinations as I requested.
Unfortunately the immunizations did not prevent my kids (and hubby) from getting pertussis...but there you have it, they aren't 100%.
My son was vaccinated on schedule. Granted he is 10 and there are now more vaccines then when he was born. At that time the chicken pox vaccine was optional and I saw no need for it. Afterall - my brother and I both had it as kids and we are just fine. My son had chicken pox when He was about 1 1/2 yrs. Now, WI is mandating the chicken pox vaccine for children - we just got papers home from school a couple weeks ago - and unless there is documentation of the child having chicken pox, they will be required to have the vaccine for school. I don't agree with this and I guess I will have to dig up old records for my son! I don't see the harm in having the MMR, infact I think it is a good vaccine. Maybe it's because there is currently a measles outbreak (a small one so far) in WI. It can be scarey, especially for children.
The mortality for measles in the US (with our advanced interventions) is about 1 for 1000 cases with a significant higher mortality for children under the age of one.Obviously it is much higher in the developing world.
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unfortunately the immunizations did not prevent my kids (and hubby) from getting pertussis...but there you have it, they aren't 100%.
i learned in my community and public health nursing class that the pertussis vaccine does not necessarily prevent having whooping cough, but it makes it less severe. (much like the varicella, which make me sooo sick in college, and then i found out that i did have chicken pox as an infant). i actually was encouraged to get a tdap when i started working in lancaster, pa, as whooping cough is relatively common among the amish. they also made me have another mmr vaccine.
i learned in my community and public health nursing class that the pertussis vaccine does not necessarily prevent having whooping cough,
right - nor does it confer life long immunity as immunity wanes 10-20 years post infection. a fairly recent study showed that the lingering chest colds in adults are often pertussis (sorry i dont have the reference and i am too lazy today to search for it today - but my memory tells me it was in a high quality journal). the problem is that pertussis in children is a much more serious infection. i elected to be re-vaccinated because i dont want to deal with the inconvenience as an adult.
i did not know that varicella is now required in some states (an earlier poster mentioned that wi requires it). this is somewhat troubling as varicella vaccination also does not seem confer lifetime immunity in most people . unlike pertussis, varicella is a more problematic disease in adults. if one received the vaccine as a child and does not get re-vaccinated a real risk of chicken pox may result:madface:.
Varicella is required in California as well, Czyja. You are right on that it may not give lifelong immunity and boosters are being researched. It is also being seen that even some adults who had it as a kid are getting it again because it isn't out in the community as it used to be and we aren't receiving natural "boosters" by small exposures throughout our lives anymore.
To another of the previous posters, Varicella can be dangerous to some and does result in hospitalization of some kids. It is unusual but not rare. It is a huge problem for pregnant ladies and for babies who are exposed in utero.
As far as keeping an open mind, I try to. I just hear too much false information being passed along as true. I don't think science and research can show us everything, but there is a lot of fear mongering out there and that isn't good either.
We broke up my twins mmr shots into a more balanced option based on the research I had done. It did not prevent my son from getting autism.
I think environmental factors and genetics are the cause of autism. I think my sons cue was lead. In alabama, they did lead tests at the one year checkup. His lead level was way high and his twin brothers was normal. He was an oral fixation child and his brother was a paci baby. I think this is what kept the other twin from developing autism. they are almost 4 and lead on toys was not as much in the news as it is now. anyhoo just my two cents.
I am all for vaccinations. I am not in favor of how many we give in such a short period of time. I am also not a big fan of the combination shots since the levels of aluminum are alarmingly high in some. I am vaccinating on my own schedule. If my child was in a daycare or exposed to stranger's children I would be on schedule. Yes, my doctor treats me like I am an imbecile. (I am switching BTW) However, I work in drug research, I see tons of Med Watch and VAERS reports. Maybe if we had 10 more years of phase IV data I would feel better but until then I am taking a much more traditional, albeit drawn out, approach.
I am all for vaccinations. I am not in favor of how many we give in such a short period of time. I am also not a big fan of the combination shots since the levels of aluminum are alarmingly high in some. I am vaccinating on my own schedule. If my child was in a daycare or exposed to stranger's children I would be on schedule. Yes, my doctor treats me like I am an imbecile. (I am switching BTW) However, I work in drug research, I see tons of Med Watch and VAERS reports. Maybe if we had 10 more years of phase IV data I would feel better but until then I am taking a much more traditional, albeit drawn out, approach.
Thanks for your well thought out and well articulated thoughts.
We broke up my twins mmr shots into a more balanced option based on the research I had done. It did not prevent my son from getting autism.
I think environmental factors and genetics are the cause of autism. I think my sons cue was lead. In alabama, they did lead tests at the one year checkup. His lead level was way high and his twin brothers was normal. He was an oral fixation child and his brother was a paci baby. I think this is what kept the other twin from developing autism. they are almost 4 and lead on toys was not as much in the news as it is now. anyhoo just my two cents.
Just a quick note regarding heavy metals and autism. While autistics have often been found to harbor much higher levels of heavy metals in their bodies, it's still a bit of 'chicken or the egg' theory going on: do autistics harbor higher levels of heavy metals because they are autistic (and something about that 'attracts' the metals) or did the higher levels have some causation for the autism? No facts as yet.
Regarding the lead: I have two children, one autistic, one not. Both had the same potential lead exposure (or lack of exposure, if you will); neither was more inclined to ingest anything leaded than the other. And yet the non-autistic child showed lead levels well within the normal ranges at the one year mark while his autistic brother showed significantly higher levels of lead at the same testing point. No causes found; health department inspection invited to home, NOTHING found. Did the autistic child "attract" more metals into his system? Who the heck knows. I DO know he sure didn't get to eat any more of it than his brother. There were no known exposures in our environment, even after professional searches.
I have known many people who have opted for chelation therapy for their autistic children. I have not known any of them to have "cured" the autism because of it. Of course, if they had, they'd be rather famous!
My kids were vax'd on schedule. Yes, I think about the correlation between vaxes and autism, but until there's definite proof AND the benefits are outweighted by the negative outcomes, I will continue to have Moocher vax'd on schedule.
I can hear it now: "But would you feel the same if Moocher acquired autism?"
I don't know. What I do know is that I don't want to take the chance of my child getting sick because she didn't get vax'd.
queenjean
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To the OP's original question:
I set up my own schedule of vaccination for my daughters, based on my own research and what I felt was important for my family and my community. While my children's doctor did not agree with me regarding the standard American vaccination schedule, she was respectful of my decisions and performed the vaccinations as I requested.
Unfortunately the immunizations did not prevent my kids (and hubby) from getting pertussis...but there you have it, they aren't 100%.