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What Nurses Really Want

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical. Has 49 years experience.

We don't want doughnuts and free pens; we want safe staffing ratios so that we can actually care for our patients the way they deserve, workplaces without violence, and lift teams and equipment to save our backs...

What Nurses Really Want | National Nurses United

SC_RNDude

Has 7 years experience.

I agree with a lot of what NNU says, but I think they should leave some issues for others to fight.

For example:

"we stand for a world not reliant on the burning and extraction of fossil fuels."

This isn't a nursing issue and it decreases the credibility of NNU with the public. And then when they speak up on a real nursing issue, the public tunes out..."it's just that nutty nurses union again."

NotReady4PrimeTime, RN

Specializes in NICU, PICU, PCVICU and peds oncology. Has 25 years experience.

I agree with a lot of what NNU says, but I think they should leave some issues for others to fight.

For example:

"we stand for a world not reliant on the burning and extraction of fossil fuels."

This isn't a nursing issue and it decreases the credibility of NNU with the public. And then when they speak up on a real nursing issue, the public tunes out..."it's just that nutty nurses union again."

I tend to agree with you. With all the side-tracking, it's true that the general public totally shuts off. We really need to focus on the things that affect patients personally. Staffing, adequate equipment (in working order, let me add) and supplies, access to life-saving or enhancing medications without breaking the bank, early access to diagnosis and treatment, patient and staff safety, working conditions, those are the issues NNU and all nursing unions should be focusing on.

herring_RN, ASN, BSN

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical. Has 49 years experience.

Nurses have a proud history of working for the health of everyone. Lavinia Dock and Lillian Wald worked for women's suffrage, worked against child labor, worked on workplace safety, for sanitation in our cities, and other non nursing causes that affect the health of society.

Clean air to breath and clean water to drink are good for everyone's health.

Do you think we were ignored when we demanded Ebola education and protective equipment?

https://allnurses.com/nursing-activism-healthcare/for-nurses-union-954810.html

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NursesRmofun, ASN, RN

Specializes in Registered Nurse.

True!!! But I do like donuts and pens too! lol I want it all!

*Reply to comment in OP, not the article.

Rose_Queen, BSN, MSN, RN

Specializes in OR, education. Has 16 years experience.

I agree with a lot of what NNU says, but I think they should leave some issues for others to fight.

But, they are much more in touch with the bedside nurse than another certain nation-wide nursing association. However, I"m sure they work on issues important to their members- if someone wants to make a change, the best bet they have is to join the organization.

I believe underlying the reference to fossil fuels, is the machine called greed and for profit health care delivery systems fall in the same category of oil companies are to the environment as greedy health care businesses atr to patient care, because companies will always go to payroll when they want to increase their profit. Less staff to patients

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cnmbfa

Specializes in OB/women's Health, Pharm. Has 40 years experience.

I agree with a lot of what NNU says, but I think they should leave some issues for others to fight.

For example:

"we stand for a world not reliant on the burning and extraction of fossil fuels."

This isn't a nursing issue and it decreases the credibility of NNU with the public. And then when they speak up on a real nursing issue, the public tunes out..."it's just that nutty nurses union again."

The four key concepts behind nursing practice are Person, Environment, Health, and Nursing. Our foremothers in public health saw addressing crowded slums, sanitation, impure milk, child labor abuses, and more as their concerns. Are you suggesting that they should have minded their own business, spurned these "liberal causes" and ignored the issues of their day that affected health and that called for activism and a government response?

Since our patients are clearly affected by the spread of malaria and other insect born diseases triggered by a changing climate, I think we need to address this. Others things that cannot be denied or explained away are the more frequent tornadoes, hurricanes. etc. we now see. What about the heat extremes that kill more people than any other weather-related events? Are we supposed to watch all of this, and just leave things as they are?

The science is clear on this, and we cannot wait to do something. Check out Pope Francis' words on this.

OCNRN63, RN

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

I agree with a lot of what NNU says, but I think they should leave some issues for others to fight.

For example:

"we stand for a world not reliant on the burning and extraction of fossil fuels."

This isn't a nursing issue and it decreases the credibility of NNU with the public. And then when they speak up on a real nursing issue, the public tunes out..."it's just that nutty nurses union again."

While it's not the most important issue, think about what burning fossil fuels does to the environment...to the air we all breathe. Pollution in our environment causes all sorts of diseases, both in the young and old.

I can see their point and agree with them, but I agree with you that it isn't the most important item on our plate.

OCNRN63, RN

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

Nurses have a proud history of working for the health of everyone. Lavinia Dock and Lillian Wald worked for women's suffrage, worked against child labor, worked on workplace safety, for sanitation in our cities, and other non nursing causes that affect the health of society.

Clean air to breath and clean water to drink are good for everyone's health.

Do you think we were ignored when we demanded Ebola education and protective equipment?

https://allnurses.com/nursing-activism-healthcare/for-nurses-union-954810.html

Well said! I like the tie-in to the recent Ebola crisis.

SC_RNDude

Has 7 years experience.

Nurses have a proud history of working for the health of everyone. Lavinia Dock and Lillian Wald worked for women's suffrage, worked against child labor, worked on workplace safety, for sanitation in our cities, and other non nursing causes that affect the health of society.

Clean air to breath and clean water to drink are good for everyone's health.

Do you think we were ignored when we demanded Ebola education and protective equipment?

https://allnurses.com/nursing-activism-healthcare/for-nurses-union-954810.html

Did Lavinia and Lillian use the dues collected from union members to fight for causes they personally believed in?

When I go to work in the morning, there are dozens of issues that effect me as a nurse. The last thing I am thinking about is alternatives to fossil fuels. I would hope that NNU is using their resources to adddress the issues that may effect me (including Ebola) in my work as a nurse.

MunoRN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

Did Lavinia and Lillian use the dues collected from union members to fight for causes they personally believed in?

When I go to work in the morning, there are dozens of issues that effect me as a nurse. The last thing I am thinking about is alternatives to fossil fuels. I would hope that NNU is using their resources to adddress the issues that may effect me (including Ebola) in my work as a nurse.

I would agree that unions shouldn't be using their resources to advocate for issues that are not nursing issues but rather personal issues of nurse, but public health has long been a general nursing issue. Chinese health officials admit that the effect of burning fossil fuels kills about 500,000 Chinese per year, and that's the amount they admit to. I agree that it should have been listed as an overall public health issue, rather than singled out.

Unlike other occupations, advocating for nurses is a bit more complicated since a core part of our responsibility is to advocate for patients, so in advocating for the profession of nursing, unions also need to advocate for patients to some degree.

Why on earth shouldn't a nurses union advocate for other than nursing issues? What do you think that State Hospital Associations do with their dues money? They use it to fight nurses on issues like staffing ratios, etc. They use their power to push issues that help the Hospital Associations keep nurses powerless, improve the power of the hospitals, nursing homes.

All, if not most, issues that would benefit hospitals, but none of which would benefit nurses.

ALL companies, in ALL areas, have lobbyists that pressure out elected officials, to vote to benefit THEM. That is the name of the game.

If you don't believe that, you are in la la land. THAT is the way the world works.

By playing, the, "nice little girl", who doesn't ask for anything, remaining, "martyr marys", who sacrifice their career, sometimes their licenses, to keep the PTB happy. Regardless of the outcome.

YES we have a duty to advocate for our patients, but we cannot due this, by not being unionized, and speaking with a unified voice.

JMHO and my NY $0.02

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN (ret)

Somewhere in the PACNW

SC_RNDude

Has 7 years experience.

Why on earth shouldn't a nurses union advocate for other than nursing issues? What do you think that State Hospital Associations do with their dues money? They use it to fight nurses on issues like staffing ratios, etc. They use their power to push issues that help the Hospital Associations keep nurses powerless, improve the power of the hospitals, nursing homes.

You asked and then answered your own question.

I'm sure hospital associations and hospitals would love it if nurse unions spent more of their time and $$$ working on things like eliminating fossil fuels.

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herring_RN, ASN, BSN

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical. Has 49 years experience.

Who else has achieved ratios?

AB 394 was the enabling legislation for these regulations:

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/I8612C410941F11E29091E6B951DDF6CE?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=%28sc.Default%29

AB 394 - It's the LAW in California

Who else has national and state ratio bills introduced?

National Campaign for Safe RN-to-Patient Staffing Ratios | National Nurses United

Who else has ratios in their union contracts? (Not every contract. It depends on the employer and the activism of the nurses. Some nurses outside California have contractual ratios they have to protect every time their contracr expires.

101 standards | National Nurses United

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UkvLewSgtw

We have RN:Pt ratios in our contract but it gets violated, and the union doesn't care. My union is a JOKE! SEIU Healthcare is for McDonald's workers not Nurses contrary to what anyone says.

I don't know if it's just my hospital or they are weak everywhere. I think that I am going to start a new thread and ask!

The Union is YOU!

If you are asked to take more patients that the ratios allow, why are YOU letting them get away with it?

Just say, "NO". You have a union contract to support you. Why are you blaming SEIU?

You can always vote out SEIU, and vote in NNOC.

JMHO and my NY $0.02

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN(ret)

herring_RN, ASN, BSN

Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical. Has 49 years experience.

The Union is YOU!

If you are asked to take more patients that the ratios allow, why are YOU letting them get away with it?

Just say, "NO". You have a union contract to support you. Why are you blaming SEIU?

You can always vote out SEIU, and vote in NNOC.

JMHO and my NY $0.02

Lindarn, RN, BSN, CCRN(ret)

One nurse alone can't enforce the contract. Most of the nurses working together can.

It is not easy when working for criminal ratio violators.

The ratio regulations:

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Document/I8612C410941F11E29091E6B951DDF6CE?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&transitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=%28sc.Default%29

Fill out an ADO or disclaimer each and every time your are assigned too many patients.

Give one copy to your manager or supervisor and keep one for yourself.

(If you have no union tell a supervisor and keep a diary every shift. If staffing is OK put that down. If unsafe tell a manager or supervisor why staffing is unsafe and directly quote the conversation.)

In the event of an adverse affect on patient care that written record is proof of the mitigating circumstance of insufficient staff and your proof that you notified someone with the authority to obtain more staff.

Truly it holds up in disciplinary meetings, arbitration, and court.

Once a nurse was the only licensed person in ICU with six patients. She filled out an ADO and gave a copy to the supervisor. The direct quote was, "Do the best you can."

Two patients coded and one died. She was not disciplined.

Four years later she was called to a deposition regarding a lawsuit by the family of the patient who died. She brought her copy of the ADO.

She was no longer a defendant, just a witness.