What if men dominated the Nursing profession?

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Specializes in Cardiac.

Ok, first of all let me say that I want this thread to be productive and not be reduced to flaming one another...

I just finished reading another thread where a student posted an initiative started by the state of CA (in 2001)that supported a bill being passed for the BSN to be the entry point into the nursing profession and all others with their ASN would be grandfathered in.

There were a few comments posted that started to border on being peeved about this even being a remote possibility and I could predict that if the thread were to continue there would be posts flaming one another back and forth about whether or not the nursing profession should progress to that point.

So, my question to all that want to remain civil about this idea, is what if men dominated the nursing profession? Would we still be talking and squabbling over the changes that should/need to be taking place in this field or would these changes have already occurred back in 2001, nationwide.

As a side note, before I even went back to school, I thought that it was so odd that the nursing field had so many entry points...a person with his or her diploma/LVN/LPN/ASN/RN are all considered to be nurses. It's absolutely unbelievable to me. I know of no other field that considers itself to be a profession that allows for so many entry points.

I've never seen a field so fragmented and resistant to change.

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All joking aside, nursing would be about the same. Male, female, or in transition, humans are going to be humans.

As far as working in a fragmented field, ever had any EMS experience?

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Ok, first of all let me say that I want this thread to be productive and not be reduced to flaming one another...

I just finished reading another thread where a student posted an initiative started by the state of CA (in 2001)that supported a bill being passed for the BSN to be the entry point into the nursing profession and all others with their ASN would be grandfathered in.

There were a few comments posted that started to border on being peeved about this even being a remote possibility and I could predict that if the thread were to continue there would be posts flaming one another back and forth about whether or not the nursing profession should progress to that point.

So, my question to all that want to remain civil about this idea, is what if men dominated the nursing profession? Would we still be talking and squabbling over the changes that should/need to be taking place in this field or would these changes have already occurred back in 2001, nationwide.

As a side note, before I even went back to school, I thought that it was so odd that the nursing field had so many entry points...a person with his or her diploma/LVN/LPN/ASN/RN are all considered to be nurses. It's absolutely unbelievable to me. I know of no other field that considers itself to be a profession that allows for so many entry points.

I've never seen a field so fragmented and resistant to change.

Just wanted to point out that ASN and BSN are both RN ;)

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Specializes in Cardiac.
Just wanted to point out that ASN and BSN are both RN ;)

Ofcourse, ASNs and BSNs are both considered RNs...that wasn't my point.

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All joking aside, nursing would be about the same. Male, female, or in transition, humans are going to be humans.

As far as working in a fragmented field, ever had any EMS experience?

Unfortunately, humans are going to be humans. I just believe that in order to create some very much needed change, the nursing profession needs alot of leaders who have backbones made of steel and are more than ready to rock the boat/shake things up a little and get this profession on the path to C-H-A-N-G-E.

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Specializes in ED.

Sorry, just wanted to clarify. You typed LVN/LPN/ASN/RN.

I agree with everything Gila in that I don't think gender would change a thing. EMS is similar in that EMT-B, EMT-D, EMT-AI, and EMT-P are all considered under the same umbrella and all serve as an entry point. It does; however, depend on what the state recognizes in pre-hospital certifications.

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Specializes in RN, BSN, CHDN.

If men dominated the nursing profession, what a thought!

Well men tend to be in charge of countries and what a mess they make of that.

:lol_hitti more of this may well be going on.

Before I get roasted, I am just having a laugh and am not serious

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Unfortunately, humans are going to be humans. I just believe that in order to create some very much needed change, the nursing profession needs alot of leaders who have backbones made of steel and are more than ready to rock the boat/shake things up a little and get this profession on the path to C-H-A-N-G-E.

Yes; however, male domination will not produce the qualities you desire in a leader. Both men and women can have these good qualities as well as poor qualities. Humanity is very much a mixed bag when it comes to good and bad.

Trust me on this one, men can be just as bad as women. I happen to have the inside scoop on what the world of men is like.

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Yes; however, male domination will not produce the qualities you desire in a leader. Both men and women can have these good qualities as well as poor qualities. Humanity is very much a mixed bag when it comes to good and bad.

Trust me on this one, men can be just as bad as women. I happen to have the inside scoop on what the world of men is like.

Trust me, I have the inside scoop on what the world of men is like also--mainly b/c I live in this world and I also used to work for a company almost completely run by men.

I'm not saying the profession would be made better by men running it but I'm just trying to get the ball rolling/trying to get some real ideas on how to bring an end to all of the indecisiveness and squabbling and start to see the roots of change...I don't care what genitalia is attached to the leaders who begin the change...I just want to see it in my lifetime.

I guess I'll have to wait until I graduate and then spearhead it on my own:twocents:

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If men dominated the nursing profession we would make more money. Because even today men still make more money then women . (Source sociology text book)

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Specializes in Med-Surg.

I'm not sure that the reason there are so many entry levels into nursing is because it's a female dominated profession.

Part of the reason it persists is because so many of us don't see it as a problem.

My answer is going to be "no", if nursing were a male-dominated profession it still be have similar issues.

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Specializes in Rehab, Med Surg, Home Care.

I do believe that if nursing were dominated by men, the profession would be more "valued" Imagine, say, nursing care being charged to the patient on a direct hours-of-care basis. At a rate which reflects our education, expertise and responsibility-something comparable to what consultants charge per hour.

I also think there would be greater visibility and awareness about just what nurses' work truly is. Men tend to demand recognition, instead of hinting for it, then acting resentful when it is not forthcoming.

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