I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
In a letter to three Republican House committee chairs, a lawyer in the office of Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg Jr., said the congressional request suggested their inquiry is designed to "punish" the office for its investigation, and "is therefore indefensible."
"The DA's Office will not allow a Congressional investigation to impede the exercise of New York's sovereign police power," General Counsel for the District Attorney of New York County Leslie Dubeck wrote Thursday.
Bragg didn't even answer the congressional letter personally. I think that was intended to sting the egos of the overreaching legislators.
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Roitrn said:
Okay. I never said anything about a special law. I imagine because you think I'm conservative you assume I want a special law.
I provided examples that you completely ignored. Only saying that it wasn't an actual transpersonal but someone "wearing a costume". Here's a few more.
The latter will a very apologetic statement disregarding the woman who made the complaint.
Let me guess, that wasn't a "real transwoman" that was someone "wearing a costume" right? So how do you know? Doesn't matter. Little girks and women should just accept they may see a member and testicle? Sometimes by a person who also wears lipstick and has a beard?
The swimmers were forced to see male genitalia in the locker room. Their concerns were disregarded. They were called transphobic bigots and were offered psychological help in response to their complaint. As well as told that they could be removed from competition.
Our entire discussion is originated in the article about a governor signing an anti-trans bathroom bill... ypu have been providing reasons that such a restrictive bill would be OK or beneficial... right? Isn't that what we've been discussing? I didn't assume anything. You are changing the subject.
Should I apologize for sharing my opinion about the rapist dressed like a woman or that it is in disagreement with your opinion? That we don't agree about that case seems to be something that requires mentioning and revisiting. Why?
Thanks for the articles. Both are referencing Canadian incidents and laws. One is from 2014 and simply says what I say, hold transwomen accountable for those exposures of memberes in locker rooms and bathrooms. There are already laws on the books and states don't need new bathroom laws to address the concerns.
I'll take your word for the mistreatment of the swimmers when they tried to complain. That's too bad that happened to them.
There doesn't seem to be much evidence that transwomen pose a substantial threat to other women or girls in bathrooms and locker rooms. A few cases spread across a continent that could be addressed with currently active laws don't seem to justify writing and passing new legislation which would require transwomen to use men's bathrooms and locker rooms.
We all know that laws don't prevent crime, they allow prosecution and punishment/accountability for actions or behavior.
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Roitrn said:
Yes. Transwomen are woman as they identify. They were born with member and testicle. Or sometimes with both. That's a fact. They may not have had surgery. Exposing genitalia where children are present is not appropriate. And illegal for another person who has a member. Even if they are just removing their clothing. I never said "waving it around in anyone's face". I also never said anything about rape. You did. My concern is the exposed member and testicles , not if thranswomen are more likely to raped in a locker room. Or if transwomen will rape anyone in a locker room. My post are more focused on how to solve the issue.
Your Reuters source was interesting. However according to a "survey", with no qualifiers is useless. How long have intact transwomen been using women's and girls intimate spaces? Not that long. So any survey like that is lacking significant data.
It's obvious you believe the Trump and Republican policies are responsible for this issue.
The reason bathrooms are sex segregated is so that a girl or a woman doesn't need to see exposed to male sexual organs in public.
The solution I believe is that there should be gender neutral bathrooms/locker rooms or ample private change area that are to be used if a transwoman still has a member or testicles. Or more private change areas so women and girls can change in private. Any act of not being discrete should be prosecuted under indecency law.
I think we have concluded our discussion.
Exposing male genitalia to women and children is ALREADY illegal in all 50 states.
You keep saying you didn't say this or that as if that implies that I shouldn't bring those things into the discussion. Stop it. You aren't the center or focus of the discussion and neither am I. Unless I directly associate something with you or directly attribute something to you, please stop personalizing general discussion. It's tedious.
Your posts are focused upon solving the issue? What is your solution? Is it to allow transwomen to use women's facilities and prosecute them if they break laws governing indecent exposure? Is your solution to pass laws that require humans with memberes to use specific bathrooms?
Transwomen have been using women's bathrooms for much longer than you apparently think they have. It's a hot topic issue right now for conservatives but transwomen are far from new to the country and they've long used women's bathrooms because... well, because they dress and live as women and men's bathrooms are often unsafe for them. I gave you that data.
OK OK. Trump and Republicans are responsible this issue. This "issue" of targeting transwomen with bathroom laws which would put them in harms way. It certainly isn't democrats passing those laws. You are persistent in making that point for some reason.
I'm so glad that you feel like the discussion is concluded. Did you enjoy the discussion?
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"One picture is worth a thousand words" -- baseball bat display by TFG next to picture of Manhattan DA appears threatening IMHO, another example of violence signaling by this presidential candidate; not appropriate for a PRESIDENT.
That republican should go talk to the families at Oxford and try out that reasoning on them, maybe.
Hopefully those parents will be found guilty and receive the longest sentence for manslaughter allowed so that other parents who buy weapons for their kids get the message.
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NRSKarenRN said:
"One picture is worth a thousand words" -- baseball bat display by TFG next to picture of Manhattan DA appears threatening IMHO, another example of violence signaling by this presidential candidate; not appropriate for a PRESIDENT.
of FBI data shows 15 years steady decrease thru 2015,
It's not appropriate for anyone, but Republicans will likely either ignore that behavior or make excuses for it or double down. Hell, they're even willing to try to intimidate that DA with congressional demands and thinly veiled threats about funding... all because DJT is getting investigated in a country that uses laws to maintain order. Go figure.
Our entire discussion is originated in the article about a governor signing an anti-trans bathroom bill... ypu have been providing reasons that such a restrictive bill would be OK or beneficial... right? Isn't that what we've been discussing? I didn't assume anything. You are changing the subject.
Should I apologize for sharing my opinion about the rapist dressed like a woman or that it is in disagreement with your opinion? That we don't agree about that case seems to be something that requires mentioning and revisiting. Why?
Thanks for the articles. Both are referencing Canadian incidents and laws. One is from 2014 and simply says what I say, hold transwomen accountable for those exposures of memberes in locker rooms and bathrooms. There are already laws on the books and states don't need new bathroom laws to address the concerns.
I'll take your word for the mistreatment of the swimmers when they tried to complain. That's too bad that happened to them.
There doesn't seem to be much evidence that transwomen pose a substantial threat to other women or girls in bathrooms and locker rooms. A few cases spread across a continent that could be addressed with currently active laws don't seem to justify writing and passing new legislation which would require transwomen to use men's bathrooms and locker rooms.
We all know that laws don't prevent crime, they allow prosecution and punishment/accountability for actions or behavior.
No.I was not making an opinion about the Bills AT ALL. I asked if you wanted to have a discussion on how we can make everyone feel safe and respected. Including transpeople.
The person making the complaint said it was inappropriate and shpukd be held accountable for. The following 2 paragraphs defended the policy and there were no charges. The fact it was from Canada. Is moot. Canada has dome of the most radical policy for this subject. It can be used for an actual study.
However you can't get past your assumptions and in my opinion, bizzar fascination with everything that is bad is republican.
Yeah. You're right. Ohh it's too bad those women on the swim team had male genitalia exposed to to them. And too bad that when they complained they were shut down and threatened. Must be the a twist on the "patriarchy "? In your definition , Lia Thomas should have been charge with a crime right? How many times are women and girls actual exposed to male genitalia in their intimate spaces? Is it that no one will even dare study this? Or that the women and children perhaps are afraid to report for fear of being called trasphobic bigots?
What would you say if someone said, "oh it is too bad transwomen suffer harm by having to use the bathrooms and intimate areas according to their genitalia". And don't worry, " if they get raped, that's against the law and the rapist should be charged"? There already a law against rape do if it happens they should report it . So go use the bathroom according to your genitals. If it causes emotional harm, go see a psychologist. Would that be acceptable to you?
I was asking for a possible solution. You have expressed your angst and theory of why this is happening in the first place. But no solutions other than to chastise republican goverm3nt.
Have any solutions? Gender neutral bathrooms? Facility policy requiring patrons to not undress openly? Do you think a facility would attempt to do that? Not likely. So, I would agree, government should stay out if locker rooms, but when there are no sensible solutions, then sometimes, government has to intervene. Do I think what has happened thus far is acceptable? NO.
I will say it one more time. I do not think there is a substantial risk of rape from transgender people in locker rooms they wish to use. So I agree with you. Up to the point of limited data. As this issue is new.
Our entire discussion is originated in the article about a governor signing an anti-trans bathroom bill... ypu have been providing reasons that such a restrictive bill would be OK or beneficial... right? Isn't that what we've been discussing? I didn't assume anything. You are changing the subject.
Should I apologize for sharing my opinion about the rapist dressed like a woman or that it is in disagreement with your opinion? That we don't agree about that case seems to be something that requires mentioning and revisiting. Why?
Thanks for the articles. Both are referencing Canadian incidents and laws. One is from 2014 and simply says what I say, hold transwomen accountable for those exposures of memberes in locker rooms and bathrooms. There are already laws on the books and states don't need new bathroom laws to address the concerns.
I'll take your word for the mistreatment of the swimmers when they tried to complain. That's too bad that happened to them.
There doesn't seem to be much evidence that transwomen pose a substantial threat to other women or girls in bathrooms and locker rooms. A few cases spread across a continent that could be addressed with currently active laws don't seem to justify writing and passing new legislation which would require transwomen to use men's bathrooms and locker rooms.
We all know that laws don't prevent crime, they allow prosecution and punishment/accountability for actions or behavior.
Well, there's already a crime against rape, so if a transgender woman gets raped in the intimate space they use matching their genitalia, then they can report it to the police. As of now, there are no actual stats to say how often this actually happens so.
That's exactly what you say about women and children being exposed to member' and testicle. Is it not? Do you find that acceptable?
Exposing male genitalia to women and children is ALREADY illegal in all 50 states.
You keep saying you didn't say this or that as if that implies that I shouldn't bring those things into the discussion. Stop it. You aren't the center or focus of the discussion and neither am I. Unless I directly associate something with you or directly attribute something to you, please stop personalizing general discussion. It's tedious.
Your posts are focused upon solving the issue? What is your solution? Is it to allow transwomen to use women's facilities and prosecute them if they break laws governing indecent exposure? Is your solution to pass laws that require humans with memberes to use specific bathrooms?
Transwomen have been using women's bathrooms for much longer than you apparently think they have. It's a hot topic issue right now for conservatives but transwomen are far from new to the country and they've long used women's bathrooms because... well, because they dress and live as women and men's bathrooms are often unsafe for them. I gave you that data.
OK OK. Trump and Republicans are responsible this issue. This "issue" of targeting transwomen with bathroom laws which would put them in harms way. It certainly isn't democrats passing those laws. You are persistent in making that point for some reason.
I'm so glad that you feel like the discussion is concluded. Did you enjoy the discussion?
Rape is already illegal in 50 states! Including rape against transgender people.
I was trying to discuss a solution to an issues and what can be done to make everyone comfortable and safe. This is where it starts. We thebpeople. If there can vlb3 solutions enacted at the citizen level, the government won't have to feel like they need to step in.
Do what's your idea of a solution? Mouth off republicans, Trump and down play the concerns of women and children? Because that's exactly what it sounds like in your posts. Even if everything you say is true, will that help transwomen ?
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Roitrn said:
1. No.I was not making an opinion about the Bills AT ALL. I asked if you wanted to have a discussion on how we can make everyone feel safe and respected. Including transpeople.
2. The person making the complaint said it was inappropriate and shpukd be held accountable for. The following 2 paragraphs defended the policy and there were no charges. The fact it was from Canada. Is moot. Canada has dome of the most radical policy for this subject. It can be used for an actual study.
3. However you can't get past your assumptions and in my opinion, bizzar fascination with everything that is bad is republican.
4. Yeah. You're right. Ohh it's too bad those women on the swim team had male genitalia exposed to to them. And too bad that when they complained they were shut down and threatened. Must be the a twist on the "patriarchy "? In your definition , Lia Thomas should have been charge with a crime right?
5. How many times are women and girls actual exposed to male genitalia in their intimate spaces? Is it that no one will even dare study this? Or that the women and children perhaps are afraid to report for fear of being called trasphobic bigots?
6. What would you say if someone said, "oh it is too bad transwomen suffer harm by having to use the bathrooms and intimate areas according to their genitalia". And don't worry, " if they get raped, that's against the law and the rapist should be charged"? There already a law against rape do if it happens they should report it . So go use the bathroom according to your genitals. If it causes emotional harm, go see a psychologist. Would that be acceptable to you?
7. I was asking for a possible solution. You have expressed your angst and theory of why this is happening in the first place. But no solutions other than to chastise republican goverm3nt.
8. Have any solutions? Gender neutral bathrooms? Facility policy requiring patrons to not undress openly? Do you think a facility would attempt to do that? Not likely. So, I would agree, government should stay out if locker rooms, but when there are no sensible solutions, then sometimes, government has to intervene. Do I think what has happened thus far is acceptable? NO.
9. I will say it one more time. I do not think there is a substantial risk of rape from transgender people in locker rooms they wish to use. So I agree with you. Up to the point of limited data. As this issue is new.
Numbering mine, I'll try to be concise.
1. Irrelevant
2. No one said the Canadian material was moot, just that it's not necessarily reflecting American culture on this cultural discussion.
3. YOU are the member who persisted in assigning some blame in this matter... you used the word caused in one of your comment and then reworded and tried again... now you try to project that inability to "get past" the policy reference on me? That's richly hypocritical and wildly dishonest. Well done. I'll wait for the suggestion that you've just been attacked after I call attention to your passive aggressive tactics.
4. Your moral outrage over my lack of adequate empathy is noted. It's also irrelevant.
5. Just for the record, there's far, far many more women and children who do not report their often repeated abuse and assault by heterosexual men than who will EVER have that fear because of a transwoman experience. Larry Nassar himself probably represents more cases. I'm not dismissing those comparatively few trans experiences, you are magnifying them.
6. People who seek to pass the bathroom laws targeting transwomen and women's bathrooms are essentially saying this thing that you suggested; "oh it is too bad transwomen suffer harm by having to use the bathrooms and intimate areas according to their genitalia". And don't worry, " if they get raped, that's against the law and the rapist should be charged"? There already a law against rape do if it happens they should report it . So go use the bathroom according to your genitals. If it causes emotional harm, go see a psychologist."
Isn't that last bit EXACTLY what the bathroom laws convey? Was that the point you were making was that those republican laws are harmful and indifferent to the harm?
7. I gave you solutions the moment you asked. Don't tell untruths.
To summarize; let them pee where they feel safe, apply appropriate laws as needed, tell the scared people to look away, mind their own business and educate their world on the spectrum of "normal" in ALL aspects of sapient function and characteristics so that they can learn empathy and tolerance rather than feeling fear or anxiety.
8. Gender neutral bathrooms are great. Until they are found in all businesses and public areas, let the transgirls use the bathroom that is best for their safety and comfort. We don't need new laws. Rape and exposure and assault are all already against the law. Transfolk aren't the problem, this new culture war anxiety is the problem.
9. I'll say it again. Transpeople are not new to our society. The current right wing angst over increased acceptance of them in our society is the problem and is manufactured. You, yourself could not produce evidence that there is any history of or current public problem with transwomen conduct in bathrooms or locker rooms... only a few isolated events over years. A few cases or reports of misconduct as compared to laws introduced in more than a dozen states coupled with vitriolic right wing rhetoric in social media settings. The concern is much greater than the actual threat... considering that Tranwomen don't really represent threat to those around them.
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Roitrn said:
Rape is already illegal in 50 states! Including rape against transgender people.
I was trying to discuss a solution to an issues and what can be done to make everyone comfortable and safe. This is where it starts. We thebpeople. If there can vlb3 solutions enacted at the citizen level, the government won't have to feel like they need to step in.
Do what's your idea of a solution? Mouth off republicans, Trump and down play the concerns of women and children? Because that's exactly what it sounds like in your posts. Even if everything you say is true, will that help transwomen ?
If you actually read my comments you would know what my ideas are. That agitated comment makes it appear that you don't read the discussion and instead just skim so that you can mouth off to the liberals in the thread. No wonder you do often seem confused as to what has been said back and forth.
I agree, I think you are finished in this discussion.
When the state reconvened in 2022 to release its new set of state health goals, its governor and surgeon general had changed. So had its priorities. No longer was equity the plan's top priority area — or a listed priority at all.
Oh my. It looks like the governor doesn't want to focus on health equity anymore.
Just a reminder that the doctor who is the state's surgeon general caught the governor's eye with his anti vaccine covid response... his elevation to the Surgeon General position was a political decision not a public health decision, IMV. If the governor doesn't know about inequity then he can't be held accountable for fixing it... right? Is that the same thought process that Trump tried with covid testing and case numbers? If it's not reported it's not real... does that strategy work for conservative voters? That might be a rhetorical question because it appears that it does work.
It will remain to be seen in the new Office of Minority health will improve equity without focusing efforts on improving equity...
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https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165578270/new-york-da-investigating-trump-calls-gop-requests-unprecedented-and-unlawful
Now what will the House Republicans do?
Bragg didn't even answer the congressional letter personally. I think that was intended to sting the egos of the overreaching legislators.