I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
It's not really my job to keep you up to speed on the conversation. In context, my statement was clear. You should have read the thread for context rather than asking me to help you out after you indicated that my words implied something they did not... adult up.
Are you calling me a liar now?
Where did "liar" come into play?
I wasn't asking you to update me about the conversation, I asked you to clarify and comment that you made. It is not unreasonable to ask for a clarification of a post you apparently put great thought into. Unless you are accustomed to making assumptions. Then I guess it would be unreasonable. .
I asked you directly what your words implied? Which means I did not imply anything. Kinda the opposite of that. You still have not clarified. However it doesn't really matter now anyway.
What to say about completely fabricating something? You implied I was making an argument about " woke" when I never even typed that word ever. Perhaps you were confused about some other conversation you were having. I can't imagine you woukd "lie" about that.
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MaybeeRN said:
It also happens when you follow inconvenient data. Covid proved that. And many people lost their jobs and Physicians were fired or their reputations ruined because of it. It goes both ways.
What "inconvenient data" are you referring to that was followed? What were physicians fired for?
It's so consistent for you to ignore the fact that when you cite a source the posted content is reviewed and critiqued AND the quality and credibility of the source is critiqued.
Are you assuming that members here exclusively use Google?
What? I often critique a source myself. I started a thread about it.
Perhaps this is meant from someone else.
Critiquing a source is perfectly acceptable. Making the source itself a topic and using it to deflect from the point is not. A common occurrence in online debate. From all political spectrums.
Considering the status quo is making assumptions, I would assume Google is the primary search engine of your choice.
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Roitrn said:
Not every post is about you.
No kidding. Maybe you forgot that you have made a couple of posts, specifically directed to another member, about you and what you think before you decided to make that childish comment.
No kidding. Maybe you forgot that you have made a couple of posts, specifically directed to another member, about you and what you think before you decided to make that childish comment.
You know what? Perhaps I have. I can accept that. I can admit I may have done that. Sometimes it gets confusing on this forum. So yeah, I probably have. However on several occasions I have directly asked for clarification as well. And any post is permitted to be commented on. This isn't a DM conversation.
So perhaps this is what happened when you allocated I made a comment about "woke"? When I clearly did not. However I do not expect you to have the grace to admit that.
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Roitrn said:
Where did "liar" come into play?
I wasn't asking you to update me about the conversation, I asked you to clarify and comment that you made. It is not unreasonable to ask for a clarification of a post you apparently put great thought into. Unless you are accustomed to making assumptions. Then I guess it would be unreasonable. .
I asked you directly what your words implied? Which means I did not imply anything. Kinda the opposite of that. You still have not clarified. However it doesn't really matter now anyway.
What to say about completely fabricating something? You implied I was making an argument about " woke" when I never even typed that word ever. Perhaps you were confused about some other conversation you were having. I can't imagine you woukd "lie" about that.
Liar comes into play when you suggest that I actually do watch CNN when I've told you that I do not. Are you unaware that you did that?
Nope. You told me what you thought my comment said and your thinking was far off the mark... because you completely ignored the context. I can't clarify you out of that choice on your part.
I didn't say you made an argument about "woke". I asked you to define it. Then I commented on children living in an antiwoke environment.
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Roitrn said:
What? I often critique a source myself. I started a thread about it.
Perhaps this is meant from someone else.
Critiquing a source is perfectly acceptable. Making the source itself a topic and using it to deflect from the point is not. A common occurrence in online debate. From all political spectrums.
Considering the status quo is making assumptions, I would assume Google is the primary search engine of your choice.
Heck, it's my go to because it's the easiest.
Does this mean that you cannot see the quotes in my comments to MaybeeRN?
I use Google sometimes. I'm currently accessing AN and any internet articles through a DuckDuckGo browser and search engine. I frequently do that as it is more private, according to my IT specialist son.
Liar comes into play when you suggest that I actually do watch CNN when I've told you that I do not. Are you unaware that you did that?
Nope. You told me what you thought my comment said and your thinking was far off the mark... because you completely ignored the context. I can't clarify you out of that choice on your part.
I didn't say you made an argument about "woke". I asked you to define it. Then I commented on children living in an antiwoke environment.
You posted a video from CNN. So you did watch it. At least once so that is factually correct. Doesn't make you or me a "liar".
I believe it's not your primary media choice and was surprised when you used it. Then I mentioned it because there are several examples of you discredited a post for simply sourcing FOX. Where as a video is a video regardless of where it is being played. This is a rational idea. It's a video. However I cannot see you giving the same allocation if it was a video being played on FOX. That was the point. I was never calling you a liar.
May I say
You comment that included "woke" did seem to suggest you were referencing something I said. I'm unsure of why you would randomly throw in "woke" and ask me about it out of no where. Unless you thought I mentioned it.
I think MaybeeRN has said something about "woke" and you got confused. Which is fine. I have myself. As I said, it can get confusing.
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Roitrn said:
You posted a video from CNN. So you did watch it. At least once so that is factually correct. Doesn't make you or me a "liar".
I believe it's not your primary media choice and was surprised when you used it. Then I mentioned it because there are several examples of you discredited a post for simply sourcing FOX. Where as a video is a video regardless of where it is being played. This is a rational idea. It's a video. However I cannot see you giving the same allocation if it was a video being played on FOX. That was the point. I was never calling you a liar.
May I say
You comment that included "woke" did seem to suggest you were referencing something I said. I'm unsure of why you would randomly throw in "woke" and ask me about it out of no where. Unless you thought I mentioned it.
I think MaybeeRN has said something about "woke" and you got confused. Which is fine. I have myself. As I said, it can get confusing.
Holy hell. Yeah I posted a video clip from CNN. I also sometimes watch Fox or MSNBC or CSPAN videos/ clips or other video content in order to expand my perspective. I don't have cable television, you forgot that maybe. My only access to cable television is what I can access on YouTube or the internet. Maybe you didn't know that a great deal of cable television content is not available for free on YouTube. I guess this means that you aren't aware that you suggested that I'm lying about watching CNN. It's ridiculous to think that you meant that watching or sharing a CNN video clip makes me some sort of regular consumer.
Yes you got confused about what my comment said. I asked you about woke. That seems to have thrown you back a bit and therefore you keep talking about the comment rather than about "woke". I think members have tried to engage MaybeeRN on the topic of "woke" previously. That style "discussion" doesn't interest me. I think it might just be a rhetorical dart for her, but it's a real social concern for a large number of conservatives. Kids who live in that environment think that "woke" is a bad thing can't express "wokeness" in those environments.
The kind of things that weren't acceptable in my kid's home were; lying, cheating, stealing or law breaking, teasing, bullying or unkind treatment of others. We had close friends who were gay men, that was normal for my kids. No one was shocked to see them hug or be affectionate. It wasn't any stranger than me to my kids than me holding their mom's hand.
They went to a public elementary school that was nearly evenly divided among black, Hispanic and Caucasian. Some of their neighborhood friends spoke English as a second language. They were raised to be charitable and empathetic and compassionate. One of my son's friends completed a suicide after he tried to flee the disapproval of his family geographically by moving far away after high school. Those wounds are deep in a child's life when they feel like their loved ones would not love them if they knew their secret... all because of the things that were "normalized" during their young life.
Holy hell. Yeah I posted a video clip from CNN. I also sometimes watch Fox or MSNBC or CSPAN videos/ clips or other video content in order to expand my perspective. I don't have cable television, you forgot that maybe. My only access to cable television is what I can access on YouTube or the internet. Maybe you didn't know that a great deal of cable television content is not available for free on YouTube. I guess this means that you aren't aware that you suggested that I'm lying about watching CNN. It's ridiculous to think that you meant that watching or sharing a CNN video clip makes me some sort of regular consumer.
Yes you got confused about what my comment said. I asked you about woke. That seems to have thrown you back a bit and therefore you keep talking about the comment rather than about "woke". I think members have tried to engage MaybeeRN on the topic of "woke" previously. That style "discussion" doesn't interest me. I think it might just be a rhetorical dart for her, but it's a real social concern for a large number of conservatives. Kids who live in that environment think that "woke" is a bad thing can't express "wokeness" in those environments.
The kind of things that weren't acceptable in my kid's home were; lying, cheating, stealing or law breaking, teasing, bullying or unkind treatment of others. We had close friends who were gay men, that was normal for my kids. No one was shocked to see them hug or be affectionate. It wasn't any stranger than me to my kids than me holding their mom's hand.
They went to a public elementary school that was nearly evenly divided among black, Hispanic and Caucasian. Some of their neighborhood friends spoke English as a second language. They were raised to be charitable and empathetic and compassionate. One of my son's friends completed a suicide after he tried to flee the disapproval of his family geographically by moving far away after high school. Those wounds are deep in a child's life when they feel like their loved ones would not love them if they knew their secret... all because of the things that were "normalized" during their young life.
I'm really sorry for your friends. I'm not sure why you felt you needed to share all that? So you feel that children should grow up in a "woke" environment? Are you suggesting your friend who committed suicide may not have if their family was "woke"? I am asking for a clarification and not assuming what you meant or misrepresent your words. I asking for you to explain.
It still doesn't explain why you would bring up "woke" and ask me to define it out of no where?
I teach my children the exact something. I do not go around trying to be "woke" or saying "woke" is bad. It's a dumb concept and has nothing to do with teaching children. It's a ridiculous political word spouted off by democrats and conservatives.
And I literally said I do not think CNN is your preferred media. In conclusion if I wish to cite a video from FOX I will assume there will be not be any interjection by you because it is from FOX.
Okay, I'm late to the party. Work got in my way of participating in this rather curious discussion.
Regarding being a President's wingman, I totally forgot that Eric Holder used that term. It was after all, 10 years ago. That being said, I don't think it was appropriate for him or for Barr or for Garland. This is my opinion. I have no sources to cite, this is merely my opinion. Was I gotten? I guess. Whatever.
Regarding the cracks about age, that is really inappropriate and just plain mean.
I did ask who thought the lab leak was a crazy conspiracy theory. I was presented with several sources. Thank you.
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Roitrn said:
I'm really sorry for your friends. I'm not sure why you felt you needed to share all that? So you feel that children should grow up in a "woke" environment? Are you suggesting your friend who committed suicide may not have if their family was "woke"? I am asking for a clarification and not assuming what you meant or misrepresent your words. I asking for you to explain.
It still doesn't explain why you would bring up "woke" and ask me to define it out of no where?
I teach my children the exact something. I do not go around trying to be "woke" or saying "woke" is bad. It's a dumb concept and has nothing to do with teaching children. It's a ridiculous political word spouted off by democrats and conservatives.
And I literally said I do not think CNN is your preferred media. In conclusion if I wish to cite a video from FOX I will assume there will be not be any interjection by you because it is from FOX.
I shared it because I wanted to, because I'm trying to have a conversation with you.
I'm bringing it up because it is a current events topic. I'm bringing it up because it seems to be an area of focus for a potential republican candidate for the presidency.
You have a funny way of saying that you don't think I watch CNN.
Your assumption would be wrong. If you use FOX as a citation you should expect that I will review and comment on the content AND I will remind you that Fox is an unreliable media outlet that intentionally misleads it's viewers.
You didn't critique the CNN video, (which wasn't CNN created content) you suggested that the video I shared might suggest that I really do watch CNN.
Do you know the history of the use of "woke"? It's only Republicans and conservatives that use the term as a pejorative. DeSantis thinks that he's in a "woke ideological fight".
What is dumb about awareness or empathy? Or do you have some other thought as to what "woke" might mean?
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Where did "liar" come into play?
I wasn't asking you to update me about the conversation, I asked you to clarify and comment that you made. It is not unreasonable to ask for a clarification of a post you apparently put great thought into. Unless you are accustomed to making assumptions. Then I guess it would be unreasonable. .
I asked you directly what your words implied? Which means I did not imply anything. Kinda the opposite of that. You still have not clarified. However it doesn't really matter now anyway.
What to say about completely fabricating something? You implied I was making an argument about " woke" when I never even typed that word ever. Perhaps you were confused about some other conversation you were having. I can't imagine you woukd "lie" about that.