I came across this is little story today, it's not breaking news. I suspect that a member of the housekeeping staff knows something about the bomb threat that required the sweep for weapons.
According to police in Secaucus, the bomb threat — which later was determined to be bogus — was called in to Hudson Regional Hospital on July 18. During a search, bomb detection dogs led investigators to an unlocked office closet containing dozens of firearms.
Among the weapons were 11 handguns and 27 rifles or shotguns, according to police. The closet also contained a .45 caliber semi-automatic rifle with a high-capacity magazine that was determined to be an assault rifle, and a 14-round high-capacity handgun magazine.
The arrested the guy the next day.
What the heck do you think this guy was doing? It sounds very ominous that he was keeping those weapons there.
I wonder if DeSantis believes that will be a winning strategy in a national election.
But he will have his own "facts" as determined by his new health committee. If you say it loud enough and long enough, people will believe you. Especially if it fits their world view.
DeSantis seems to be politicizing vaccine recommendations by saying it's serving to advance narratives. Also engaging the Florida Supreme Court to investigate isn't all together a medical topic. So perhaps this is why we're discussing in the political forums. Plus we've gone off political topics before.
So you can look at the above narrative and think it's either anti-vaccine as CNN obviously does, or simply at face value. DeSantis is attempting to keep vaccine manufacturers on the up and up about their risks. Even though as the last paragraph (not posted above but in the article) says Florida is the outlier in not recommending vaccines for healthy children, perhaps he really wants truthful evidence.
I'm really weary of his "I kept Florida free" when he locked us down and people suffered and got pathetic unemployment whenever they were able to get it. But he does get bragging rights for opening up long earlier than other states. Then there's the deaths. Death rates per 100,000 aren't as high as some states like Michigan, Arizona, a good deal of the southern states above and New York, but still hefty.
But we can keep that in perspective in a state with 20 million people. He should do that with things like myocarditis: how much about of the billions of vaccines given did people get myocarditis and is it statistically significant enough to warrant a recommendation against vaccination.
Some of you might remember the seat belt debates. Everyone can point to an example of how not being seat belted saved a person in an accident, but they still went with the recommendation to buckle up.
I can't always say the CDC bats 1,000 and isn't under outside influences, but I also most of my looked to them as a trustworthy source of data and information. Covid, the media, and politicians seems to have destroyed that for many of us.
I get why we would be discussing it in politics. I didn't even question that. What I meant was, I thought it was peculiar that the story was in CNN's politics section.
I was all in for the original round of doses. And then even the booster. I know they saved lives and helped us get back to normal.
I wasn't as comfortable when it was recommended for children, and then young children. Then another booster, and talk of more.
Pfizer and Moderna didn't sell these at cost. They are making huge profits. Maybe it's good to take a closer look at what exactly they knew about efficacy, varients, side effects, etc and when.
Maybe the DeSantis panel finds out it is all on the up and up.
I suppose there may be some political angle to it. But, I don't see how DeSantis benefits from any potential result. And, doubtful that this is a quick process. Will probably take years.
CDC once said the vaccinated don't carry the virus. Fauci once said the vaccinated are a dead for the virus.
The medical community was once fooled into thinking oxycontin was non-addictive.
People have a reason to be leary.
BTW, I recommend watching "Dopesick", with Michael Keaton.
I get why we would be discussing it in politics. I didn't even question that. What I meant was, I thought it was peculiar that the story was in CNN's politics section.
I was all in for the original round of doses. And then even the booster. I know they saved lives and helped us get back to normal.
I wasn't as comfortable when it was recommended for children, and then young children. Then another booster, and talk of more.
Pfizer and Moderna didn't sell these at cost. They are making huge profits. Maybe it's good to take a closer look at what exactly they knew about efficacy, varients, side effects, etc and when.
Maybe the DeSantis panel finds out it is all on the up and up.
I suppose there may be some political angle to it. But, I don't see how DeSantis benefits from any potential result. And, doubtful that this is a quick process. Will probably take years.
CDC once said the vaccinated don't carry the virus. Fauci once said the vaccinated are a dead for the virus.
The medical community was once fooled into thinking oxycontin was non-addictive.
People have a reason to be leary.
BTW, I recommend watching "Dopesick", with Michael Keaton.
Thanks for the clarification.
We do have a similar mindset in some way.
Probably in the Politics section because DeSantis is running for President and about every move he makes from this point forward is more than likely considered a campaign move and that not all of his statements were medically sound.
He's not a stupid man. He lead Florida to probably the only red wave in the country. It doesn't matter that this will take a long while, he needs to remind his base to be mistrustful of vaccines, this is what they will remember. This is where he benefits politically, that he cares about children and families. What happens afters will be off our minds. If the vaccines are proven safe and effective no one will care.
Thankfully though we still have an elderly population that trust the vaccine.
His flying people to Massachusettes from Texas for example wasn't designed to keep them from moving to Florida, it was a campaign move. "Look he's tough on immigrants". No one is paying attention to all the investigations into his actions afterwards.
All that said, I have a big mistrust myself of big Pharma and their influence. I am a little more trustful of CDC/FDA information because there is a lot there. But they do get it wrong sometimes and have to back track. Remember when they pulled Davron/Darvocette from the market due to safety concerns? We used to give to patients all the time. People seemed very forgiving of that action (though some were upset). It happens.
I do think as a health care professional my mindset towards some organizations is a bit different. For example why does Breast Cancer organizations allow dairy companies like Dannon sponsor them when the high concentrations of estrogens can be harmful to breast cancer patients (and are linked to prostate cancer) and the anti-soy myth is still out there? Why does the DASH diet include red meat and other high-saturated fat foods that are harmful to cardio vascular health? Why does the ADA get so hung up on complex carbs when it doesn't address the root cause of fat in the diet that can keep people on medication for life rather than help them lower medication doses and even get them off medication altogether.
When I became a nurse, they were smoking in the nurses station. When I was hospitalized for tests in early 80's I was able to smoke in the room.
The medical establishment gets things wrong and evolves over time and the public is fooled by a whole lot of money spent by people with huge pockets. Heck to the right of me is some ad advertising what looks like gift packs for red me...very fatty looking steak, and hot dogs and processed me like hot dogs or sausages (a known Class I carinogenic)...really on a nursing site? (I understand AN can't control the ads.)
I can't watch those suggestions due to it hitting home. Addiction to opiates is a problem in my family. But I've read about it.
Anyway with all that rant over. I'd like to take him at face value that he has some legitimate concerns. I don't like his presentation.
I missed the part about the Fauci and the CDC saying vaccines killed the covid virus. I always understood it would help me from getting very sick not stop me from getting it. The Delta variant that killed and hospitalized so many of the unvaccinated proved me correct and made me happy I was vaccinated. People have seem to forgotten this part of the history. What was it - 80 to 90% of the people getting extremely ill and hospitalized were unvaccinated. Many of them people living vibrant relatively healthy lives.
How many people die during cancer treatment? People don't always go around saying "See! Chemotherapy doesn't work, it's all a scheme of the CDC and the pharmaceutical companies".
Okay, that was a rant going on many tangents. Back to the topic. You may remember that I don't necessarily think healthy young people need to take the vaccine, but that doesn't mean I distrust the recommendation for them to. In late 2020 when the vaccine came out I shouted from the rooftop for everyone to get it. But like any good science minded person I've shifted as the virus has changed and the variants more mild. I got a 2nd booster (3rd overall in September 2021 when people were still seeming to get sick and I was about to travel). Then they recommended another booster maybe six months later and I skipped that. I'm not getting a covid vaccine every six months for every variant. I got the most recent one over a year later in late October before my trip. I don't mind getting one once a year but that seems to be my tolerance. I had covid in July and was sick for three days with fatigue and fever but got over it really fast, and thankfully had no respiratory symptoms. I was on a crowded planes and busses recently, never wore a mask once, lately and thankfully didn't get sick again. Most people around me didn't have a mask. But everyone on my tour group was vaccinated at one point. I might feel different if I had commodities or was obese.
But he will have his own "facts" as determined by his new health committee. If you say it loud enough and long enough, people will believe you. Especially if it fits their world view.
Best friend got an ulcer from Meloxicam, another that got kidney issues from ibuprofen. Tylenol has caused liver problems in some people. The covid vaccine might have caused some myocarditis...people need to know this but no need to panic. They've been pretty upfront about the blood clot complication with some vaccines. But doesn't birth control do the same thing?
Like I've said before, it's interesting what the people get outraged at and what they shrug their shoulders at.
It's have to say Fox's reporting of the events at the White House about Biden signing the Respect for Marriage Act was pretty matter of fact like much of this writer's reporting.
I do find the video at the top unrelated and is about inflation and the border crisis.
Like I've said before, it's interesting what the people get outraged at and what they shrug their shoulders at.
Sure, but if it somehow there is a a grain of truth to it, or it fits a suspicion, they will latch right on to it. But if it goes against something they value, many will dig in their heels and refuse to see otherwise. Flimflam men seem to be especially talented at exploiting emotional connections. Myocarditis sounds really scary, and yet, in the majority of cases it resolves without consequence. Middle-aged teachers, at increased risk of exposure and dying from infection, eh, well, we all gotta die sometime.
Best friend got an ulcer from Meloxicam, another that got kidney issues from ibuprofen. Tylenol has caused liver problems in some people. The covid vaccine might have caused some myocarditis...people need to know this but no need to panic. They've been pretty upfront about the blood clot complication with some vaccines. But doesn't birth control do the same thing?
Like I've said before, it's interesting what the people get outraged at and what they shrug their shoulders at.
I think they have been open about the incidence of myocarditis in some young males (from Moderna?). There was no cover-up there. But the part that people didn't pay attention to was that it was self-limiting and statistically less significant then the possibility of myocarditis following Covid.
Thank you for this. Lots to chew on but the part that is my first take-home lesson is the way they suggest we supply visas to low-skilled workers. I'm a little more conflicted about brain-draining by taking in professionals they badly need. We should be raising our own to take on careers that require more education. We do have great engineering programs here but India does appear to have a better production line for fantastic engineers.
The medical establishment gets things wrong and evolves over time and the public is fooled by a whole lot of money spent by people with huge pockets.
And that is why we need to look at this closer.
Obviously, what we know about covid vaccines was going to evolve over time as the virus and vaccines being so new and brought to market very quickly.
However, the bottom line is that what is being sold to us now in regards to vaccine is different then what we were sold at the start. What is legitimate, and what is driven by the govt basically handing over checks?
For example, I still haven't seen compelling reasons to vaccinate small children and infants. They never were and still aren't getting sick from covid.
And, when did the pharma companies know the vaccines were not that effective stopping the spread?
Like you, I haven't had my second booster. I had the first series, a booster, tested positive once with mild symptoms, wife positive at a different time, traveled extensively, never stopped going out (except when in a "locked down" area), swabbed thousands of noses, and work in a ER. I figure I'm good for awhile.
A co worker who totally isolated, is one of our PPE "police", is always reminding co workers and visitors to pull their mask up or wear them correctly, has had all her boosters, is now out on leave with "long covid". Probably unfair bad luck, but makes me wonder...
Anyway, that was a bit of a tangent.
And, yes, I did read all of your posts. Youre one of the few I always do.
When you left us for awhile, I was about ready to bail. Your return has made these threads bearable, for awhile...haha.
Obviously, what we know about covid vaccines was going to evolve over time as the virus and vaccines being so new and brought to market very quickly.
However, the bottom line is that what is being sold to us now in regards to vaccine is different then what we were sold at the start. What is legitimate, and what is driven by the govt basically handing over checks?
For example, I still haven't seen compelling reasons to vaccinate small children and infants. They never were and still aren't getting sick from covid.
And, when did the pharma companies know the vaccines were not that effective stopping the spread?
Like you, I haven't had my second booster. I had the first series, a booster, tested positive once with mild symptoms, wife positive at a different time, traveled extensively, never stopped going out (except when in a "locked down" area), swabbed thousands of noses, and work in a ER. I figure I'm good for awhile.
A co worker who totally isolated, is one of our PPE "police", is always reminding co workers and visitors to pull their mask up or wear them correctly, has had all her boosters, is now out on leave with "long covid". Probably unfair bad luck, but makes me wonder...
Anyway, that was a bit of a tangent.
And, yes, I did read all of your posts. Youre one of the few I always do.
When you left us for awhile, I was about ready to bail. Your return has made these threads bearable, for awhile...haha.
Thanks for reading my posts. Sometimes they don't make sense even to me. LOL
All points are valid. I too wonder if the advice to vaccinate children in the present time is a bit outdated. A couple of years ago I would have said something different.
I don't know when big Pharma knew it didn't stop the spread and that both sets of people were shedding relatively similar amounts...one perhaps being much less sick. But I knew fairly early on and not sure where I heard it. But it was when variants started to affect the equation.
I remember, only because a coworker was on it, when there was a worldwide recall of Vioxx, a hugely prescribed and very profitable drug used to treat pain and arthritis. I remember how miserable he was for a while. I believe it was the drug company itself that removed it.
Also the above mentioned Darvon. Demerol has falling out of favor. There are lots of incidences of drugs being approved and then taken off the market.
Didn't the FDA remove Zantac this year? (Sometimes I get confused as to what is removed and what is in shortage). OK I checked and Zantac was removed 40 years after it was on the market.
The point being I'm no so sure we need the Florida Supreme Court to intervene, but I get, big Pharma is about profits first and the science and research is still being conducted and changes. There was a to do done about one of his hedge funds donators being heavily invested in a drug he was promoting, so in a way it's nice to see him demonize potential donors.
I have a coworker whose husband is unvaccinated and took Ivermectin and she was vaccinated and sick at the same time and did self-care and she claims he got better quicker. I have a vaccinated acquaintance that went on a ventilator with covid. My sister's ex mother in law smoked until she was in her 90's (she recently died when she fell asleep smoking with oxygen on and died of smoke inhalation and burns). There a ton of obese influences on Instagram that run marathons. Nothing is exact science.
I think they have been open about the incidence of myocarditis in some young males (from Moderna?). There was no cover-up there. But the part that people didn't pay attention to was that it was self-limiting and statistically less significant then the possibility of myocarditis following Covid.
I think you are right. I remember hearing about it but vaguely.
This article from last year says "The CDC researchers estimated there might be a maximum of 70 cases of myocarditis out of a million second doses given to boys ages 12 to 17, but that the vaccine would prevent 5,700 infections, 215 hospitalisations and two deaths."
70 out of a million. Not good but weighing the risks and benefit and that it's mild I can see why they'd continue to recommend vaccination. Unless there's more new and current information that Florida can uncover.
The same people don't seem to be bothered by the death rate which is worse.
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But he will have his own "facts" as determined by his new health committee. If you say it loud enough and long enough, people will believe you. Especially if it fits their world view.