Venting about a new CNA...this is really, really long!

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We have a new CNA that just started working night shift and she is going to drive me crazy. In the first place, she has been there for a total of five days and she is an expert on every resident in the facility. She is constantly talking about how this one usually does this or that one usually does that or how she is surprised that Mary slept through the night because she is usually up several times during the night or that Bill went to bed really early since he is always up past midnight. If we try to tell her that Mary was only up all night the first night she worked because her stomach was upset or that Bill was really only awake past midnight because he took an extra nap during the day she just laughs (well, cackles like a witch) and tells us that she already knows the residents very well and she know their habits, so we need to stop trying to make her look stupid. Whatever...:)

Then she has decided that she is the BEST CNA on the face of the earth. She used to work in the dietary department at another LTC but they wouldn't hire her as a CNA. She told me that they wouldn't hire her because she knows that every nurse there takes a lot of shortcuts and doesn't do their job properly, so they couldn't hire her because she would show them up! The said the CNAs are mean and they treat every resident poorly and every other person in the dietary department is lazy and that the whole department will probably collapse now that she is gone. She is already complaining about other staff members here and talking about how she hates following a certain CNA because she knows she is going to find a mess and that the residents are going to be awake all night because they weren't put to bed properly. She did find four residents with soiled briefs after following this CNA the first night she worked, but we has an outbreak of stomach-type flu that day and over half of the residents were pooping and puking. The CNA she is complaining about is actually quite good at what she does...I would be honored to have her care for me!

After hearing and seeing all of this, I talked to her about professionalism and how she needs to be sure she statements she is making are accurate before openly criticizing other people and the job that they do. I also told her that she is out of line to complain about other professionals and say they are not doing their job, when she really has no idea what their job truly is. I told her that if she has that many concerns about the care given at her old facility, she needs to take it up with management at that facility instead of bringing it to ours. She just laughed and said I must have a lot of friends working there if I am so willing to defend them. Oh, boy...:)

After slamming every CNA in the facility and telling us how she is going to be the best thing that ever happened there she started in on the local police department. She is angry that they won't retrieve keys when people lock them in their cars, she doesn't understand why they don't have an emergency fund to pay for locksmiths for people who can't afford them, she doesn't know why they pulled her over for going 75 MPH on a 60 MPH highway...don't they care that she was late for work? The police are incompetent, they are only there to pick on honest people, they make too big of a deal out of noise complaints, they are all sleeping with one another, they spend too much time drinking coffee, and they don't do a good job of keeping the teenagers in line after school. When I told her that I am really good friends with most of our police officers and that I think they do a very good job and that they only pull you over, watch you, tell you to turn your music down, etc for a very good reason, she asked me how many of them I am sleeping with.

And she hates the housing authority and the people at the state because they don't distribute things like food stamps properly. She lives in a subsidized housing complex and is angry because there are ants in her apartment and there are wasps by her door. Right now there are wasps everywhere...you can't go outside anywhere without seeing them. She told us that she had two wasps on her door so she went to the office in the apartment complex to get some spray for them and they wouldn't give her any. They told her that they don't have any in the office and that she just needs to go inside and if any wasps get in, the needs to kill them with a fly swatter. Apparently, she is allergic to wasps, so she called 911 on her cell phone, told them she was going to be stung by wasps, and then went inside her apartment (I knew I had seen her somewhere before...I was the first paramedic there when we responded). She is also losing some of her food stamps because she went from a job that paid $5.15 an hour to a job that pays $8.50 an hour...according to her, they are cutting her from $450 a month to $400 a month and they will cut her even more if they find out that she gave custody of her first two children to their fathers! I'm tempted to call them.

The final straw for me, happened yesterday. I pretty much just rolled my eyes and blew off most of what she was doing until then. We have a resident that likes to stay up all night playing computer games. Since she is often awake until after 0300, she often skips breakfast and lunch and she is losing a lot of weight. I made a comment that I was going to ask the kitchen staff to leave her some snacks, so she could eat them while she is actually awake. She told me that she would be happy to talk to the dietary manger about it because they are very close friends. I told her, no, that I would take care of it. She told me about four more times that she could get it done much easier than I could because she has connections. I repeatedly told her that I was the charge nurse and that the request either needed to come from me, another nurse, or the DON. She just laughed. I talked to the cook that was on that day and that night, there were snacks left. This new CNA told me she had called the manager at home, so that she knew it would get done. I told her that I had already told her I would take care of it, that she was way out of line to call anyone at home, and that I did not appreciate her going around me, when I had already told her that it was my job not hers...I explained the chain of command and told her that if I hadn't taken care of it like I said I would, that she needed to talk to the DON about it instead of going over everyone's head and talking to the dietary manager. She told the CNA who was training her that I am jealous of her "can-do" attitude.

And finally, while she was making rounds on one hall, I made rounds on the other hall. When she came back to the desk, I told her that the other hall was done and that everyone was dry. She said, "Oh, they probably are." I said, "They are...I just changed them and yes, everyone is dry and repositioned." She told me that she would have to go and check since it is her responsibility. I told her that she was not to go and wake everyone up again and that she was not to check my work. So...while I was in the restroom, she went and woke everyone up and repositioned them to the side that I had just moved them from.

I am just about to strangle her...I have never worked with anyone who had gotten under my skin so much. I'm going to talk to the DON about it when she is in next week, but in the meantime, I am just going to grit my teeth and smile a lot.

Thanks for listening!

There truly is Nightingale Syndrome and it sounds like cotjockey's CNA:

"Florence Nightingale Syndrome is also used to refer to a constant and uncontrolled desire to protect and alter the lives of others, often without regard to whether one possesses either the right, or indeed the ability to do so. The feeling of providing help reinforces within the individual a feeling of power, and thus provides for the basic need to feel wanted and loved."

There truly is Nightingale Syndrome and it sounds like cotjockey's CNA:

"Florence Nightingale Syndrome is also used to refer to a constant and uncontrolled desire to protect and alter the lives of others, often without regard to whether one possesses either the right, or indeed the ability to do so. The feeling of providing help reinforces within the individual a feeling of power, and thus provides for the basic need to feel wanted and loved."

Oh gosh, that sounds like a nurse I used to work with at the hospital!! Some patients loved her, but just as many couldn't stand her. One patient even threatened to check out AMA if this gal came in her room again.

Sounds like this CNA needs a wake up call

Specializes in cardiology, psychiatry, corrections.
so she called 911 on her cell phone, told them she was going to be stung by wasps

Was she expecting EMS/fire to stand by?! :rotfl: Boy, she is a piece of work! I read your entire post Cotjockey cuz I know what it's like to work with a difficult partner. I worked with someone like that about a year ago, but only for a few weeks, fortunately. It doesn't sound like she'll last even if she isn't fired. I'll bet she always goes from one job to the next.

One of her "bright" ideas to make work better was she thought we should tie baggies over the trachs to collect secretions, instead of having to clean the pts when their secretions got too much!:uhoh21: Luckily, she only mentioned this,- never did it!

She's gone on to another hospital now, good for us, bad for them!

:uhoh3: Are you kidding me??????????????? That is SCARY!!! Ya, lets suffocate people with trachs!!! My daughter has a trach and I nearly spit out my drink right here on my keyboard reading that one...............this person has absolutely no common sense..........that is scary...........:uhoh21:

Was she expecting EMS/fire to stand by?! :rotfl: Boy, she is a piece of work! I read your entire post Cotjockey cuz I know what it's like to work with a difficult partner. I worked with someone like that about a year ago, but only for a few weeks, fortunately. It doesn't sound like she'll last even if she isn't fired. I'll bet she always goes from one job to the next.

Well, duh! If she got stung, she would die instantly...she wouldn't even be able to flip open the flip phone before her cold dead body hit the ground.

That wasn't very nice of me to say...sorry.

The other night nurse has been on vacation for two weeks...tonight was her first night back and she just called me to ask if the new CNA drives me crazy too. I don't think she will last long...she told the other nurse that she is not going to work holidays, she is not going to work when the weather is bad, she is not going to work if her daughter sneezes even once...:uhoh3:

Simple. She is in her probationary period which means she can be terminated WITH NO EXPLANATION. I would pitch this to HR citing the problems you have been having....if they are breathing/have half a brain they should understand this with little explanation.

Specializes in geri, med/surg, neuro critical care.
Simple. She is in her probationary period which means she can be terminated WITH NO EXPLANATION. I would pitch this to HR citing the problems you have been having....if they are breathing/have half a brain they should understand this with little explanation.

:yeahthat:

~Lori

Specializes in med/surg, telemetry, IV therapy, mgmt.

cotjockey. . .please don't misunderstand my intentions here but after I read the initial post something was very clear to me. You are permitting this CNA to suck you into the little games that she plays. And, she is playing quite a few in order to make herself feel and look good among all of you. Once you recognize that this is a good deal of what she is doing with all her talk, don't respond to her. She is looking for these responses, especially with the shocking stories. That is how she knows that she "gotcha". That is her way of getting some kind of control and attention. She is also very insubordinate. She talks so much that it has been difficult for you to distinguish her insubordination from her fast talking. Example: she told you she called the dietary manager at home after you had told her you were going to take care of getting snacks for a patient. She disobeyed your direction. With people like this CNA who are so pleased with listening to themselves talking you have to be very clear when you give them direction. When you are giving direction, particularly with someone like her, you also need to let her know the consequences of any actions that she takes. I would have told her, "You are not to call anyone in the dietary department about this, is that clear? If you do, you will get into trouble for violating the chain of command." Then, the next night after she told me she had called the dietary manager I would have taken her aside and very bluntly told her, "I told you not to call anyone in the dietary department. You were wrong to do this and I have no choice but to write you up and tell the DON about it. You'll probably have to explain to her why you went out of the chain of command to do what you did. When I give you an instruction I expect you to obey it. Don't ever do this again." Second example of insubordination: you told her not to go and make rounds on a group of patients again and wake them up, yet she did it anyway while you were in the restroom. Upon discovery of this I would have taken her aside immediately and told her, "I just told you not to make rounds on those patients or wake them up and you disobeyed me and did it anyway. I'm writing you up again for insubordination. I've told you before that when I tell you to do something I expect you to do it. In this case you unnecessarily disturbed patients" If these two write-ups don't burst her bubble and make her think about either shaping up or quitting I am sure she'll error again. It's in her nature. As for all the jibber-jabber coming out of her mouth. . .there's not much you can do about that except ignore and don't respond to it. Then, you won't get so aggravated. Let her find someone else to talk to or give her some work to do. Surely, there must be cupboards, wheelchairs or something that needs cleaning during the wee hours of the night to get her out of your hair. Ask the DON what needs cleaning around the facility and put her on it. Don't give her a chance to be sitting around shooting off her mouth.

Specializes in ER.

That woman is a walking floor show. That is the only way I'd be able to cope with her. Giggle into your sleeve as much as possible, but be sure to write up any patient care issues. I hope you have someone at work to vent with.

cotjockey. . .please don't misunderstand my intentions here but after I read the initial post something was very clear to me. You are permitting this CNA to suck you into the little games that she plays. And, she is playing quite a few in order to make herself feel and look good among all of you. Once you recognize that this is a good deal of what she is doing with all her talk, don't respond to her. She is looking for these responses, especially with the shocking stories. That is how she knows that she "gotcha". That is her way of getting some kind of control and attention. She is also very insubordinate. She talks so much that it has been difficult for you to distinguish her insubordination from her fast talking. Example: she told you she called the dietary manager at home after you had told her you were going to take care of getting snacks for a patient. She disobeyed your direction. With people like this CNA who are so pleased with listening to themselves talking you have to be very clear when you give them direction. When you are giving direction, particularly with someone like her, you also need to let her know the consequences of any actions that she takes. I would have told her, "You are not to call anyone in the dietary department about this, is that clear? If you do, you will get into trouble for violating the chain of command." Then, the next night after she told me she had called the dietary manager I would have taken her aside and very bluntly told her, "I told you not to call anyone in the dietary department. You were wrong to do this and I have no choice but to write you up and tell the DON about it. You'll probably have to explain to her why you went out of the chain of command to do what you did. When I give you an instruction I expect you to obey it. Don't ever do this again." Second example of insubordination: you told her not to go and make rounds on a group of patients again and wake them up, yet she did it anyway while you were in the restroom. Upon discovery of this I would have taken her aside immediately and told her, "I just told you not to make rounds on those patients or wake them up and you disobeyed me and did it anyway. I'm writing you up again for insubordination. I've told you before that when I tell you to do something I expect you to do it. In this case you unnecessarily disturbed patients" If these two write-ups don't burst her bubble and make her think about either shaping up or quitting I am sure she'll error again. It's in her nature. As for all the jibber-jabber coming out of her mouth. . .there's not much you can do about that except ignore and don't respond to it. Then, you won't get so aggravated. Let her find someone else to talk to or give her some work to do. Surely, there must be cupboards, wheelchairs or something that needs cleaning during the wee hours of the night to get her out of your hair. Ask the DON what needs cleaning around the facility and put her on it. Don't give her a chance to be sitting around shooting off her mouth.

Excellent, excellent advice!

WOA!!! Evidently sounds like you both have major issues , don't let her get to you like that. Now I am sure you are not glued to her all day. Obviously she is what the Dr. ordered! Remember your their for the patients at times it may seem difficult to work in such an ENVIROMENT...But don't take it personal you are proably better than that so why don't you flip the script? Try some reverse psychology on her let her,hear and vent and tell her something nice, Remember we should all try to stay professional.Stay on a mature level, believe me I have been there and done that and then some so people can't aggravate me NOW!Believe That! You take care and please give it a try,o.k.:rolleyes:

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