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PMFB-RN has 16 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Traum Rapid Response.

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Mark my words. The day will come when hospitals will miss the second career RN who came to nursing from a factory job, enlisted military service, farming, etc. and where very grateful to have a steady job inside out of the weather. Nurse who spend many years at the bedside and because of that developed superb assessment and critical thinking skills. Nurse whose ambition was to prove great care for 8 or 12 hours then take their pay check back to their family.

My observation is that nursing units are getting younger with fewer and fewer of the kind of nurse who would spend a whole career at the bedside and so were resources for less experienced nurses.

Not everybody can be a manager or APN. We need highly experienced nurses who want to stay at the bedside for a long time.

Those nurses, more often than not came to nursing through their local community college ADN programs.

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I have a degree in journalism. I'm a semester away from a degree in criminal justice. Journalism, while it fits my particular talents, is not exactly burdened with a lot of jobs. Criminal justice, well, let's just say I figured out it wasn't for me. Nursing, if I decide to go through with it (I'm working on getting into CNA training then we'll see), fits other talents and skills that I happen to have and/or wish to improve.

So what if these people are using it as a stepping stone? Bedside care isn't for everyone. Nothing is. Besides, it's not affecting you and if they aren't dealing with patients, they aren't affecting them either, at least not directly.

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Mark my words. The day will come when hospitals will miss the second career RN who came to nursing from a factory job' date=' enlisted military service, farming, etc. and where very grateful to have a steady job inside out of the weather. Nurse who spend many years at the bedside and because of that developed superb assessment and critical thinking skills. Nurse whose ambition was to prove great care for 8 or 12 hours then take their pay check back to their family. My observation is that nursing units are getting younger with fewer and fewer of the kind of nurse who would spend a whole career at the bedside and so were resources for less experienced nurses. Not everybody can be a manager or APN. We need highly experienced nurses who want to stay at the bedside for a long time. Those nurses, more often than not came to nursing through their local community college ADN programs.[/quote'] This is absolutely absurd! Don't you think people with more education wanting to be nurses is a good thing? More educated workforce= better nursing care. Only in this profession does it seem like people bash someone for seeking higher education. It is ridiculous! Who says these second career changers aren't elated to be bedside nurses?You need to stop assuming and conjuring up blanket assumptions for an entire population of people, it is not only wrong but it is false! Whose to say that these second career changers won't want to be a bedside nurse for the long haul?... And if they don't, what is it to you? Many nurses are seeking higher education as a means to get out of bedside nursing and into another nurse role. What is the harm in that? I just don't see it. Please show me statistical evidence that people with ADNs stay in the bedside longer than people with BSNs...And if that is even true, think about all the reasons that may be true. Time, expense, desire, etc.

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PMFB-RN has 16 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Traum Rapid Response.

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I have a degree in journalism. I'm a semester away from a degree in criminal justice. Journalism, while it fits my particular talents, is not exactly burdened with a lot of jobs. Criminal justice, well, let's just say I figured out it wasn't for me. Nursing, if I decide to go through with it (I'm working on getting into CNA training then we'll see), fits other talents and skills that I happen to have and/or wish to improve.

So what if these people are using it as a stepping stone? Bedside care isn't for everyone. Nothing is. Besides, it's not affecting you and if they aren't dealing with patients, they aren't affecting them either, at least not directly.

Did you read the OP? Nobody is blaming them for having ambitions and wanting to use nursing as a stepping stone. The point of the OP is how unrealistic their goals are.

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NurseGirl525 is a ASN, RN and specializes in ICU.

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I don't think it matters why someone goes into nursing. I don't necessarily agree with the people that proclaim it's calling and it's their passion. And if you don't have this "calling" then nursing isn't for you. I happen to love the medical field. I find it fascinating. Working in retail made me kind of cynical when it comes to people so while I am patient, I am not the most compassionate. I do like to take care of my friends and family so I feel I will be good at taking care of people. I do want to do bedside. My advisor thinks I will make a great DON someday because of my personality and background in management. Not sure I ever want to go back to management but maybe I will someday. As a new single-mom I need to support myself and my son. I can do that in nursing.

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Did you read the OP? Nobody is blaming them for having ambitions and wanting to use nursing as a stepping stone. The point of the OP is how unrealistic their goals are.

No, I failed to see how the OP pointed that out. They assumed that the second career changers who expressed interest in pursing alternative forms of nursing thought they'd be able to get those jobs immediately after graduating. I failed to read evidence to that effect while reading their post.

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BuckyBadgerRN has 4 years experience as a ASN, RN and specializes in HH, Peds, Rehab, Clinical.

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I probably would have tried to do what their school didn't: paint a true picture of the big bad world of nursing. I agree whole-heartedly, schools are woefully inadequately preparing students for the reality of what a tight job market it is. Of course, they are in the business of accepting, educating and turning out students to be RN's. After that, their job is complete---after all, the instructors all HAVE paying positions!

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PMFB-RN has 16 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Traum Rapid Response.

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This is absolutely absurd! Don't you think people with more education wanting to be nurses is a good thing?

What!? Of course I do! Nothing I have said would indicate that I think otherwise.

More educated workforce= better nursing care.
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Maybe, but it hardly matters if they are not doing nursing care does it?

Only in this profession does it seem like people bash someone for seeking higher education.

A. Saying that only reveals your ignorance of other professions. B. Only in this profession are people so overly sensitive that they would go so far out of their was to feel "bashed".

It is ridiculous! Who says these second career changers aren't elated to be bedside nurses?

Are you kidding? Didn't you read the OP? They said themselves/

You need to stop assuming and conjuring up blanket assumptions for an entire population of people, it is not only wrong but it is false!

Uh, what population are you talking about?

Whose to say that these second career changers won't want to be a bedside nurse for the long haul?

I don't know, who? Are you sure you are reacting to my post you quoted? I am wondering is you even read my comment. Your reply is so out of touch with what I said.

... And if they don't, what is it to you? Many nurses are seeking higher education as a means to get out of bedside nursing and into another nurse role.

Ok sure many nurses are doing that. So what? Why state that obvious point? Were any comments being made about NURSES earning more education? NO!

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PMFB-RN has 16 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Traum Rapid Response.

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No, I failed to see how the OP pointed that out. They assumed that the second career changers who expressed interest in pursing alternative forms of nursing thought they'd be able to get those jobs immediately after graduating. I failed to read evidence to that effect while reading their post.

The OP pointed it out in the thread title.

"Unrealistic Nurse Students"

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Emergent has 25 years experience.

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The next financial crisis.....default of student loans.

Amen to that.

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PMFB-RN has 16 years experience as a BSN, RN and specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Traum Rapid Response.

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A former lawyer with a nursing background will be a better pick for hospital attorney that just a regular lawyer.

Lawyer/RNs are a dime a dozen. Despite this I have yet to hear of a hospital attorney who was also an RN.

I honestly do not understand why other nurses have a problem with nurses who want to step away from the bedside.

What is the evidence that nurses have a problem with nurse LEAVING the bedside? The OP is about people who have never been at the bedside as a nurse.

It's perfectly okay to leave the bedside (which other nurses feel like it's a betrayal to the profession) i

Who feels it is a betrayal to the profession? I don't know anyone who feels that way.

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Did you read the OP? Nobody is blaming them for having ambitions and wanting to use nursing as a stepping stone. The point of the OP is how unrealistic their goals are.

I did. But, she doesn't know how unrealistic necessarily their goals are. It doesn't matter how unrealistic their goals are anyway. It's their life. Why do we need to judge these people for their choices? Or care why they got nursing degrees?

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