Purely hypothetical... IF Hillary Clinton gets elected and IF she pushes through her socialized medicine plan then what would happen to the payscale for U.S. nurses? Would it drop $10 an hour per nurse?
I know these are big IF's and I am not here to argue if her plan could ever work but I am just trying to plan ahead in case it DOES happen.
Also I cant seem to find anything to tell me how much nurses make in the socialized medicine countries like canada or united kingdom. Does anyone know how much these nurses make on average?
$10 an hour I doubt, but there will be a pay cut to nurses. One of the main reasons that nurses get paid so much is because they are in high demand in a competitive market. Hospitals need to pay higher and higher wages to attract nurses to their hospital, once everybody is paying the same (single payer will not pay different hospitals more for the same procedures) you lose all competition and wages can be dropped across the nation. You will either change professions (unlikely because there will be many health care people losing their jobs , insurance companies, pharmaceutical employees, high tech medical equipment employees, etc...) or take the pay cut. I could see a slow decrease in wages and more salaried nursing positions to keep the overtime costs under control.
Unions can help some, but don't think you can't be replaced. The air traffic controllers thought the same thing right before they were all fired in 1981. Unions can also out demand you right out of a job, in the Midwest tons of auto workers are in the unemployment line because the unions demanded too much. Unions can help nurses in many cases though (I would take a union position over a non-union position if all else was equal.)
Bottom line: nurses have it very, very good now. Why would we want to change things??
Purely hypothetical... IF Hillary Clinton gets elected and IF she pushes through her socialized medicine plan then what would happen to the payscale for U.S. nurses? Would it drop $10 an hour per nurse?
I know these are big IF's and I am not here to argue if her plan could ever work but I am just trying to plan ahead in case it DOES happen.
Also I cant seem to find anything to tell me how much nurses make in the socialized medicine countries like canada or united kingdom. Does anyone know how much these nurses make on average?
HOT STUD- Are you still in Nursing school? Or at least close to finishing? Personally, after seeing what is happening with socialized medicine, it's a gamble that one takes. If you decide to go into the nursing field expecting to become rich and are just think primarily about the money, think it would be time to really reflect upon your priorities. I've worked in the medical field for 12+ years and i truely enjoy it. All that matters to me is that I'm able to buy my food and support a family when the need comes. Besides, with Nursing, you always have the oportunity to expand into other areas, not just the clinical setting. Going into nursing was the hardest decicion that I have made, but you know what? I don't regret it one bit at all.
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Purely hypothetical... IF Hillary Clinton gets elected and IF she pushes through her socialized medicine plan then what would happen to the payscale for U.S. nurses? Would it drop $10 an hour per nurse?
the question is why would it , unless the US government suddenly nationalises providers there's no real reason that salaries or terms and conditions would change immediately, although over time there is a chance that they would, but that would depend on the relationship between the purchasers and providers
I know these are big IF's and I am not here to argue if her plan could ever work but I am just trying to plan ahead in case it DOES happen.
Also I cant seem to find anything to tell me how much nurses make in the socialized medicine countries like canada or united kingdom. Does anyone know how much these nurses make on average?
in the UK the basic starting salary for an RN in the NHS is 19683GBP
this is Pre tax, NI and employees contribution to pension
but also pre unsocial hours payments, annual leave unsocial hours allowance ( so you recieve your 'average pay' when on leeave rather than basic) , the alowance towards registration fees
i have been qualified 6 years and currently work ina Band 5 role, although i have protected band 6 pay due to organisational changes (they didn't think that any none sister/Charge Nurse/ urse practitioner would get band 6 - but a few groups of senior staff nurses in certain areas did )
iam on band 5 increment point 5 ( due to the way in which transition to AFC was handled , if i was 'new' i.e. qualified after 2004 by rhe same point i.e. qualified 6 years i'd be on point 6)
my basic salary is 22187 gbp, i work a rotating shift pattern and on average do somewhere between 50 and 70 unsocial hours hours a month so this payslip is typical / slightly less than average
basic pay 1848.92
saturday enhancement 4.50 hours worked (at 0.3*11.34 gbp) = 15.32
sunday enhancement 11.00hours worked (at 0.6*11.34 gbp) = 74.89
night enhancement 39.50 hours worked (at 0.3*11.34 gbp) = 134.46
unions can if they are not careful demand too much and hasten the demise of things
however national unions as seen i nthe UK do have a lot of bargaining power when dealing with government
if the US introduced governament funded healthcare i would suspect to see a reduction in ythe variation ion salaries and thediffereces in cost of living reflected in banded areas with different allowances rather than in base salary ( e.g. London and High cost of living allowances seen i nthe UK system also the possibility of recruitment and rentenion premia paid as an allowance rather than in the salary)
That's about $150 less than I make per month (and they "gave" me extra per hour for 19 years as an RN and 5 as an LPN)... and you can bet I spend more than $150 per month in insurance payments.
HOT STUD- Are you still in Nursing school? Or at least close to finishing? Personally, after seeing what is happening with socialized medicine, it's a gamble that one takes. If you decide to go into the nursing field expecting to become rich and are just think primarily about the money, think it would be time to really reflect upon your priorities. I've worked in the medical field for 12+ years and i truely enjoy it. All that matters to me is that I'm able to buy my food and support a family when the need comes. Besides, with Nursing, you always have the oportunity to expand into other areas, not just the clinical setting. Going into nursing was the hardest decicion that I have made, but you know what? I don't regret it one bit at all.
I love nursing, really I do, but I'm sorry I need to make a good income for the high level of work I am required to perform. Like others have said I doubt it will happen but if it does I will also find a less stressful, less physical way to make a living.
Gee, "HotStud," are wages suppressed in your town's "socialized" fire and police departments? Are you worried about the "socialized" education programs you've been supporting for years with taxes? And why would you suggest that wages would fall under a "socialized" medicine proposal that would allow people to retain the same private insurance coverage they have now should they choose to do so?
I smell socialized Kool-Aid. Give it up.
You do realize that cops, firemen, and teachers get paid a tiny pittance of what they're worth, right? I've got members of all three professions in my family and they are pratically the lowest paid workers in the community. Their salaries certainly don't compete with that of a RN in our community and they were all required to have the same level of (if not more) education.
I think salary is like real estate its location location location. My wife is an ECSE teacher. With 8 years in her profession she equalled my salary in 6 years and passed me in 8 years. As a new grad I can expect to earn about 50,000 at .8 FTE versus 42,000 at 1.0 FTE. Mental health nurses (NEW GRAADS!) are starting at 31/hr at my facility (state run) while 15 miles down the road at the local hospital new grads are starting at 26. Some of this reflects demand but quite a bit of the difference represents effective union bargaining on behalf of employees.
In any event public safety workers such as police, firefighters and correctional workers are usually compensated with earlier retirement ages and generous pensions. In other words you may not make as much in your working years but it is made up to you in retirement.
I did a comparison between MN RN wages and Norwegian RN wages awhile back. Essentially there was no difference in compensation levels.
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I know of no serious presidential candidate that is proposing nationalized (socialized) health care. Why even bring up the topic?