Voter suppression is UnAmerican and can not be tolerated. Majority Vets get their meds shipped via USPS -60,000/day
Philadelphia Inquirer 8/14/2020
Trump’s assault on Postal Service and voting is a plot against American democracy | Editorial
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On Thursday morning, after months of attacks on the United States Postal Service and vote-by-mail, President Donald Trump admitted that the two efforts are connected as a part of one voter disenfranchisement effort. In a Fox Business Network interview, Trump said that the sticking point for him in the negotiations over a new coronavirus economic relief package is Post Office funding: “If we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it.”
This thread has become little more than an echo chamber for self-righteous communists, socialists and supporters of deviancy and lawlessness to virtue signal and opine. And of course, to personally attack and ostracize those who disagree with them.
You’ve called people who have a different political preference than you name like commies, left wing nuts, commissars, the charming ”gruppenführer” with its nazi connotation, socialists, supporters of lawlessness and supporters of deviancy. Mr Pot (not Pol, the crockery) I have a question for you, who exactly is it who’s in attack mode?
On 10/31/2020 at 1:43 PM, DaveMHA-RN said:
The people will decide the outcome and if you don't like it, well, that's too bad. We are a republic, not some communist dictatorship that you dream of. Maybe you should move to Cuba since they have such a wonderful healthcare system or Venezuela since they have done away with all economic inequality.
You’re not making a whole lot of sense.
I haven’t seen anything in this thread that suggests that posters are communists or even hardcore socialists. Why on earth would they dream of or want to move to Cuba or Venezuela? Do you ever stop to think that the reason why you name-call and make rather wild, out-there allegations about commies and gruppenführers, is because you don’t have a lot of factual rebuttals to offer. I can’t help but think that if you had facts on your side, you’re lead with them.
On 10/31/2020 at 1:43 PM, DaveMHA-RN said:
I know a lot of unlikely voters who are voting Republican for the first time in their lives because they can see through the nonsense, corruption, hate, and lies.
Anecdotal data is of little interest to me. However there is ample evidence that many Republicans and former Republicans have endorsed Biden.
Can you provide a list of Democrats or former Democrats who are so unhappy with their party that they’re now officially endorsing Trump instead? It doesn’t even have to be numerous organizations, cabinet-level officials, intelligence community officials, State and Justice Department officials, Senators, judges, former Chairs of the DNC and Executive Branch officials. I’ll settle for a hundred or so Democrats of any kind, as long as it can be verified that they were once Democrats and that when faced with the choice of Biden and Trump, they choose Trump. I need names so that they can be fact-checked. Since I’ve been unable to find any evidence that supports your narrative, I highly doubt that there is a significant shift towards Trump by former Democrats.
This thread has become little more than an echo chamber for self-righteous communists, socialists and supporters of deviancy and lawlessness to virtue signal and opine. And of course, to personally attack and ostracize those who disagree with them.
You’ve called people who have a different political preference than you name like commies, left wing nuts, commissars, the charming ”gruppenführer” with its nazi connotation, socialists, supporters of lawlessness and supporters of deviancy. Mr Pot (not Pol, the crockery) I have a question for you, who exactly is it who’s in attack mode?
While I disagree with the post you quoted, how is this different from referring to all Republicans as white supremacists, racists, homophobic, Islamophobic, misogynistic, etc. as many on the left, to include some on this board, are doing?
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15 minutes ago, chare said:
While I disagree with the post you quoted, how is this different from referring to all Republicans as white supremacists, racists, homophobic, Islamophobic, misogynistic, etc. as many on the left, to include some on this board, are doing?
White supremacists are a core of Trump's support because he's a white supremacist. Similarly, his homophobia, misogyny and Islamophobia all attract people of the same thinking. What should we call a person (people) who supports lying, cheating, bigotry, racism, misogyny, Islamophobia and authoritarian tactics? Are they very fine people?
Should we be politically correct so that the people falling into those categories feel like that's just fine to harbor those feelings and behave as they do in our society? That's what happened in Italy and Germany, you know. People were polite with the fascists.
While I disagree with the post you quoted, how is this different from referring to all Republicans as white supremacists, racists, homophobic, Islamophobic, misogynistic, etc. as many on the left, to include some on this board, are doing?
I never said it was different, did I? I try hard to avoid calling all of anything something. When I criticize something someone says, I always try to be specific about what it is I’m disagreeing with or refuting with facts/sources.
I find the phenomenon of first calling people rude names and then making a post complaining about people attacking you, quite strange. Really, if anyone of us here feels that a pleasant and inclusive tone is something we value and want to promote, then all we can really do is to control our own behavior.
As of 10/15/2020: The population of the U.S. is 331,547,490 (U.S. Census).
According to CDC, the confirmed number cases of COVID-19 is 7,954,066 (or 2.3% of the U.S. population), with a mortality rate of 219,254.
So based on the numbers, COVID-19 only has a mortality rate of 0.0661304961% amongst the entire population of the United States.
While those at risk should take precautions the numbers don't justify the hysteria or shutting down the country.
Somehow it is safe riot and go to the big chain stores, but not to the polls. People are not stupid, and most people ain't buying it.
This is purely political; COVID has further expanded the partisan divide in this country as evidenced by this discussion.
Done with this stupidity. And listening to left wing nuts opine about nothing, and pretending to be more scholarly and intellectually superior to everyone else. This discussion has become boorish and pointless.
I know I am not going to convert a commie to capitalism and you sure as hell ain't going to convert me to communism.
So all you COVID Gruppenführers & Commissars have a nice day.
Bye-bye....
The problem here is that your vocabulary is so very limited that you use so much "rally speak" it's impossible to take anything you say seriously. If you have to revert to name calling then you might as well not come back because it's difficult to argue with a 12 year old.
White supremacists are a core of Trump's support because he's a white supremacist. Similarly, his homophobia, misogyny and Islamophobia all attract people of the same thinking. What should we call a person (people) who supports lying, cheating, bigotry, racism, misogyny, Islamophobia and authoritarian tactics? Are they very fine people?
You miss my point. I’m referring to the tendency to refer to all Republicans using these references. This is becoming a common practice by some on the left. And one that you in particular seem to employ with increasing regularity.
26 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
Should we be politically correct so that the people falling into those categories feel like that's just fine to harbor those feelings and behave as they do in our society? That's what happened in Italy and Germany, you know. People were polite with the fascists.
No, of course not. However, including everyone to the right of your position in this same category is wrong. And, I don’t need a history lesson from you on how the Nazis and fascists came to power in Germany and Italy.
No, you didn't, and it was not my intent to suggest otherwise.
30 minutes ago, macawake said:
... I try hard to avoid calling all of anything something. When I criticize something someone says, I always try to be specific about what it is I’m disagreeing with or refuting with facts/sources.
Yes, you do. And I thank you for doing so as you are one of the few to do this on a consistent basis.
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3 minutes ago, chare said:
You miss my point. I’m referring to the tendency to refer to all Republicans using these references. This is becoming a common practice by some on the left. And one that you in particular seem to employ with increasing regularity.
No, of course not. However, including everyone to the right of your position in this same category is wrong. And, I don’t need a history lesson from you on how the Nazis and fascists came to power in Germany and Italy.
Nah. I refer to supporters of racism, bigotry, homophobia, Islamophobia, etc in that way...not republicans. This reality, that the GOP is chock full of racists, bigots and the like, may be distressing but it certainly isn't evidence that we should be careful not to hurt their feelings by correctly identifying their driving ideologies and emotional beliefs.
I'm getting a lecture on talking nice to fascists and racists now? That's funny. Because it's not nice to use correct descriptive language when speaking about ugly human attitudes?
The notion that I should talk nice to racists and facists suggests that, yeah, a history lesson is in order.
Nah. I refer to supporters of racism, bigotry, homophobia, Islamophobia, etc in that way...not republicans. This reality, that the GOP is chock full of racists, bigots and the like, may be distressing but it certainly isn't evidence that we should be careful not to hurt their feelings by correctly identifying their driving ideologies and emotional beliefs.
This might be your intent, however in many of your posts you seem to classify Republicans and Trump supporters the same.
9 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
I'm getting a lecture on talking nice to fascists and racists now? That's funny. Because it's not nice to use correct descriptive language when speaking about ugly human attitudes?
The notion that I should talk nice to racists and facists suggests that, yeah, a history lesson is in order.
I am unsure how you came to conclusion that I suggested that you “talk nice to fascists and racists.”
You miss my point. I’m referring to the tendency to refer to all Republicans using these references. This is becoming a common practice by some on the left. And one that you in particular seem to employ with increasing regularity.
No, of course not. However, including everyone to the right of your position in this same category is wrong. And, I don’t need a history lesson from you on how the Nazis and fascists came to power in Germany and Italy.
I haven't seen anyone refer to ALL Republicans or right-wing voters as anything. However, the ill behaviors of those on the right or GOP have been called out. Is it also wrong to call out their behavior? I'm not understanding the gripe here. Not all Republicans are racists, bigots, domestic terrorists, etc, but all those people are Republicans. Those are the facts.
I'm also trying to figure out how non GOPers are on the defense when clearly attacked in this thread by a GOPer claiming *checks notes* to be getting attacked. That's classic bait and switch, throwing rocks while hiding your hand, etc.
That poster came in this thread with a clear intention of attacking people who didn't agree with him/her and went on to do just that then somehow subsequent posters are having to defend themselves for being rightfully upset.
He contradicted himself and everyone who has posted why they have their stance has posted supporting evidence to that feeling. That's like comparing Jews being upset with Nazis having death camps, slaves with slave owners, Trump's admin with children in cages. None are equivalent! People have a clear reason to be upset, especially since lives are literally at stake and over a quarter million have been lost unnecessarily. To compare the two is disingenuine.
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6 minutes ago, chare said:
This might be your intent, however in many of your posts you seem to classify Republicans and Trump supporters the same.
I am unsure how you came to conclusion that I suggested that you “talk nice to fascists and racists.”
LOL
Nearly all Trump supporters identify as republican but not all Republicans are Trump supporters. Perhaps it isn't clear what your intent is in finding fault with the language used to correctly describe Trump supporters or their ideology. Because I don't care if I hurt a Trump sympathizer's feelings by referencing the fascism, racism, bigotry or similar they must accept to support Trump. I rather hope that they are offended by being identified that way. I am hoping that they consider the similar language used by republicans like Michael Steele or Rick Wilson or Steve Schmidt and rethink their politics rather than be ostracized. I am hoping that they value the opinion of the Bush or McCain families and listen to their language. Like real republicans...not like facist cult members.
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You’ve called people who have a different political preference than you name like commies, left wing nuts, commissars, the charming ”gruppenführer” with its nazi connotation, socialists, supporters of lawlessness and supporters of deviancy. Mr Pot (not Pol, the crockery) I have a question for you, who exactly is it who’s in attack mode?
You’re not making a whole lot of sense.
I haven’t seen anything in this thread that suggests that posters are communists or even hardcore socialists. Why on earth would they dream of or want to move to Cuba or Venezuela? Do you ever stop to think that the reason why you name-call and make rather wild, out-there allegations about commies and gruppenführers, is because you don’t have a lot of factual rebuttals to offer. I can’t help but think that if you had facts on your side, you’re lead with them.
Anecdotal data is of little interest to me. However there is ample evidence that many Republicans and former Republicans have endorsed Biden.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_Donald_Trump_2020_presidential_campaign
Can you provide a list of Democrats or former Democrats who are so unhappy with their party that they’re now officially endorsing Trump instead? It doesn’t even have to be numerous organizations, cabinet-level officials, intelligence community officials, State and Justice Department officials, Senators, judges, former Chairs of the DNC and Executive Branch officials. I’ll settle for a hundred or so Democrats of any kind, as long as it can be verified that they were once Democrats and that when faced with the choice of Biden and Trump, they choose Trump. I need names so that they can be fact-checked. Since I’ve been unable to find any evidence that supports your narrative, I highly doubt that there is a significant shift towards Trump by former Democrats.