Time to vent - my apologies in advance.

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Okay, let me begin by stating that I do not like to complain about my assignment at work. I just don't. I feel like we're here to help people, and my preference of patient should never determine my attitude while taking care of people who need me.

That being said, I had an interesting night at work the other day. (Sorry for the long rant.)

I've observed that a number of my co-workers aren't keen to the idea of having a patient who needs blood transfused. I get it, it can be time consuming. In the ICU, where you might have 2-3 patients, it's almost more manageable than on the Med/Surg floor where you've anywhere from 4-8 patients.

Myself? I actually don't mind transfusing, at all. But there are certain... things that absolutely irk me, and here's one of them...

I get into work, told by the day nurse that I'm getting an immediate admission from the ED, and that the patient will need 2 units PRBC's, no problem, really. This patient had a hemoglobin of 5.2, mildly symptomatic in the ED, mind you.

The patient hits the floor about 20 minutes into shift. No blood band on the patient, no problem, I proceed to complete my admission otherwise, and decide to pass meds to all other patients until Lab is finished cross/matching their blood.

An hour and a half goes by... I call down to Lab, just to check on the status.

"I don't see any order for a cross/match." Lab says.

You have got to be kidding me... This patient had been in the ED since Noon that day. Her labs were completed, and reported to the ED by 1430 that afternoon... The patient hit my floor at 1950. 5 hours...

5 hours without anyone, Doctor, Nurse, anyone making mention to the Lab that we needed a cross/match. It's one thing if the ED was swamped, and couldn't get the blood started, I can understand that, but to not even pick up the phone, and get the cross/match?? Seriously?

I immediately call the ED, and the nurse who brought the patient up tells me, "I didn't really get report on the pt., I was asked by the day nurse to transfer the patient up.

I asked, "Were you aware that this patient has a Hgb of 5.2?"

They state, "Day nurse told me it was low, but I didn't know how low."

Me, "May I speak with the nurse who had the patient?"

ED, "They're gone for the day. The doctor too."

Sigh.

I call the attending, and get the order myself. Call down to the Lab, and ask if they can get this one done, stat, due to how long the patient has already been waiting. Fortunately, they did. However, the patient's blood had antibodies.... Ergh.

The blood wasn't available until 0330, and they were febrile, so I had to wait another hour (post acetaminophen) before starting transfusing at 0500. What a mess.

And I can see how this would have ended, especially if the patient continued to be symptomatic. The cross-hairs would have been on my forehead... Nuh uh, ain't happenin'. I absolutely hate doing it, but I reported this incident. To the supervisor, the clinical leader (on my floor, and the ED), as I refuse to be bait for someone else' negligence.

Had I been the one on the phone to get the report (remember, the day nurse had already gotten report, and just handed it off to me when I came in), I would have resolved this before the patient hit the floor. But it was a cascade of mishaps, just waiting for me when I walked into the door.

The cherry on top? I ended up with another admission at 0530, almost at end of shift, and that patient came up with an infiltrated IV, haha (I laughed at the time too).

Really though, you guys don't think I was in the wrong for being upset, do you? Or that I reported the incident? I mean, that patient could have been seriously injured due to this oversight. I've got to protect myself as much as the patient, yes?

Specializes in ER.
So typical of my ER. You get report from a nurse that hasn't had the patient. When there is an issue that something she be done, the answer is the Dr didn't order it. I don't understand that! I think it is part of the nurses job to be proactive and speak up if something should be done that the Dr didn't order, but all the ER nurses give me back the same response, the Dr didn't order it. Like they don't have a mind to think for themselves. What is the problem! Is it laziness or some weird ER culture that a nurse can't speak. Anywhere else in the hospital nurses speak up and advocate for their patients, not ignore things because the Dr didn't order it! Looking forward to hearing what ER nurses have to say.

I am an ER nurse, and that is NOT typical.

Here we questions orders and ask for orders, and if its docs we know, we will go ahead with some particular treatment, (such as urgent nebulizers, ordering an EKG and drawing a Trop on a possible MI), and then ask for the orders retrospectively.

What I don't understand is why the OP waited an hour and a half before contacting the lab. That should have been done on receiving the pt, so the lab knew where the pt had moved to, and which nurse would be supervising the transfusion.

We often transfuse in ER, although it is considered bad practice to move a pt mid-transfusion. If we can run it before the transfer we will go for it, but if a move to the floor looks imminent we will hold.

What I don't understand is why the OP waited an hour and a half before contacting the lab. That should have been done on receiving the pt, so the lab knew where the pt had moved to, and which nurse would be supervising the transfusion.

That mistake was mine. I know now never to completely trust report, and investigate these matters personally, and immediately.

I made an assumption, thinking that because the ED nurse supposedly informed the day nurse that the patient would be receiving 2 units, that they already contacted the lab within that 5-hour window to get the cross/match.

I learn from my mistakes. ;)

Specializes in ER.

I think its just good practice to touch base with the lab so they know where the pt moved to, it saves them a lot of chasing around trying to track them via ER records.

Which as well all know is a long and irritating process : )

Specializes in Emergency/ICU.

I totally understand your frustration and I don't think you were in the wrong. There are plenty of little things we can/should let slide, but this isn't one of them.

The ED physician and ED nurse totally dropped the ball. As soon as they saw the H&H result, the type and screen should have been ordered, drawn, and sent. The nurse should have pulled the blood sample immediately, and checked to ensure that the lab received it in. The lab would have then alerted him/her to the nonexistent/lost order at that time.

This is part of managing care: Following critical components of patient care to their expected fulfillment because we know that the unexpected happens sometimes.

As an ED nurse, I would only feel comfortable releasing my patient into the hands of another KNOWING that lab was doing their part to ensure that blood was on the way. After all, it is my job to ensure that we are treating the emergency, right? But I don't know until I do some checking: For both orders - the type/screen and the units to be transfused, AND, that the lab got the blood.

The MD didn't mean to put the order in the wrong place, he/she needs education too about how to enter STAT orders. The process broke down in the MD orders and in the nurse followup and handoffs.

Moral of the story - trust but verify. Verify that something hasn't slipped through the cracks. No one is perfect. We need to allow one another our tiny errors and imperfections, and gently correct and uplift our fellow nurses on the big things so we can all provide the best care possible.

You did the right thing, sometimes we have to stand up for what's right when a situation is glaringly wrong like this was. You seem pretty laid back overall and seem to take the small things in stride. Thanks for loving "everybody," including us ED nurses! I wish you the best!

Specializes in Certified Med/Surg tele, and other stuff.
So typical of my ER. You get report from a nurse that hasn't had the patient. When there is an issue that something she be done, the answer is the Dr didn't order it. I don't understand that! I think it is part of the nurses job to be proactive and speak up if something should be done that the Dr didn't order, but all the ER nurses give me back the same response, the Dr didn't order it. Like they don't have a mind to think for themselves. What is the problem! Is it laziness or some weird ER culture that a nurse can't speak. Anywhere else in the hospital nurses speak up and advocate for their patients, not ignore things because the Dr didn't order it! Looking forward to hearing what ER nurses have to say.

We are now seeing cardiac/rule out chest pain pt's coming up with NO IV. :confused: The response we get is just like you get. "The Md didn't order it." But what do they have for orders? IV morphine, prn for chest pain. Anyone want to tell me how the patient is going to get their Morphine by their non-existent IV? Needless so say, put an IV in before a person codes is a much better bet you are going to get one in, rather than after the circulatory system collapses.

ED says that Medicare doesn't always pay for cardiac IV's placed in the ED?

I have no idea, but they get one seconds after they reach the floor, which makes more work for us.

You were dumped on and I think you have a right to be upset.

Specializes in Hematology/Oncology.
Just to note....I had a PE recently and I had clear lungs.

I think the ED should have transfused...i would need more information but that should not have been left alone.

or atleast started the process...

It seems like the ED was pretty much the admission department with this story.

I don't disagree -- the ED definitely should have started the transfusion, from the information presented.

Funny end to this; the patient involved confronted me the night before she went home and said to me:

"Hey, you're married? That's too bad, I was gonna flirt."

:D

I can't help but think she was being genuine, but she was old enough to be my Mama.

i dont understand the part about why it was bad the patient had antibodies...can you please explain

i dont understand the part about why it was bad the patient had antibodies...can you please explain

If they have antibodies, it takes additional time for the lab, as they have to figure out what those antibodies will attack, and then they have to procure blood that doesn't have said element in it so that we can safely transfuse without a reaction.

The patient ended up being fine, but if they were more critical, and had to wait that additional 6-8 hours, on top of the 5-6 they waited in the ER? No bueno.

Specializes in Med/Surg, Academics.

I am not bashing all ED nurses, so don't start crap on me, but there are a couple in my ED who I hate getting report from. 75% give me a clear picture on CC and interventions, but the one last night had me shaking my head.

She starts out with age and one presenting symptom, moves on to IV site, then says, "What more do you want to know?" I said how about what you've done for the patient? She then describes interventions that sound like our sepsis bundle, which, when I thought about it, COULD have been related to the CC.

"Does he have an internal abscess?" I ask?

"I don't know," she replies.

Moving on...

She then states an intervention related to a PE.

At this point, I'm completely lost. "How did we go from the CC to a possible PE?"

"I don't know," she replies.

She gives me the most updated vital signs, but in the chart (which, by the way, has one CC notes from the triaging nurse and NOTHING else besides lab and test orders/results and MAR entries for a bolus and abx), the last VS are from five hours earlier. I question her on it, and she says she entered my patient's vitals on another patient, then titters nervously.

I'm done here. "Send him up," I say. Even if he comes to me a mess, I'm confident I can get something done for him.

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