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This might make you think twice about which nursing school to go to

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I just thought I would share the link for the pass rate for the RN NCLEX in 2007 at all the Arizona schools. I find it kind of wierd that MCCDNP is all linked into one % for 2007. There are no scores for 2008 yet but I will be looking for it. I wonder if you can call the college and find out what their pass rate is? I want to know what each schools rate is in MCCDNP because this might affect my decision on which school I choose. Sometimes it is not just about getting in, it's also about what school is going to prepare you the best for that test and to be a nurse. :heartbeat Anyways, here is the link http://www.azbn.gov/documents/nclex/Statewide%20Nclex%20Results%20%202003-2007-WEB.pdf hopefully this works.

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN

Specializes in Cardiac.

Sometimes it is not just about getting in, it's also about what school is going to prepare you the best for that test and to be a nurse. :heartbeat .

Exactly.

Just a quick glance at this list proves what I have been saying about schools like Ethel Bauer and Apollo College.

BTW, what's up with UofP?? I didn't know that they had a pre-licensure program? It, apparently, sucks!

If students did the research first on their programs then maybe we'd have fewer, "I can't pass the HESI" or "I can't pass the NCLEX" or "I hate my school because it's out to get me and I had no idea that they had awful pass rates" threads.

UofP has the LPN to BSN program; you earn your RN at the end. Quite an abysmal NCLEX rate...

Multicollinearity, BSN, RN

Specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student. Has 4 years experience.

UofP has the LPN to BSN program; you earn your RN at the end. Quite an abysmal NCLEX rate...

And probably the most expensive tuition in the state.

llg, PhD, RN

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development. Has 43 years experience.

If students did the research first on their programs then maybe we'd have fewer, "I can't pass the HESI" or "I can't pass the NCLEX" or "I hate my school because it's out to get me and I had no idea that they had awful pass rates" threads.

Exactly. I live in an area (not Arizona) where there is a wide variation in the qualitly of schools. We have some excellent schools and some abysmal ones -- and the nurse managers and recruiters all know it. Unless you present yourself exceptionally well or have something else going in your favor, the best jobs go to the new grads from the better schools.

All these "We all pass the same NCLEX. So, it doesn't matter what school you go to." are nonsense. I feel sorry for those students who pay good money to attend those lousy schools.

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN

Specializes in Cardiac.

Here is the one for 2008. I just found it. UofP is very different now. I like the stats for my school (Pima CC)

Uofp only had 3 test takers in 2008!

However, Ethel Bauer's rate stilll blows...(anyone who still chooses to go there deserves the education that they get....)

Lovely_RN, MSN

Has 11 years experience.

If you focus solely on NCLEX pass rate you might be in for a nasty surprise. My school had a 97% pass rate because they kicked out almost half of our class before they ever got a chance to fail the NCLEX. A lot of schools will weed out students who they feel have even the slightest chance of failing NCLEX and bringing down their pass rates.

They did this in the PN program I attended and it's happening again in the last semester of the RN program. Also don't be surprised if they spring a new last semester requirement that will affect whether you graduate or not.

What you need to find out is how many started the class, how many graduated, and then worry about how many passed the NCLEX.

llg, PhD, RN

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development. Has 43 years experience.

What you need to find out is how many started the class, how many graduated, and then worry about how many passed the NCLEX.

You're right. Pass rates alone are not enough. They are only 1 piece of information. Knowing how many students started the program and how many graduated -- on schedule without having to repeat classes -- as well as how many passed the NCLEX on the first attempt is also important.

Prospective students should also be asking for details about the program. For example, they should find out not only where the school does clinicals ... but also whether ALL the students get to go to the better hospitals and how many hours they spend there ... and do they get to do total patient care there or are a lot of those experiences "observational." We have some schools who have really weak clinical faculty and the students spend most of their clinical time standing around just watching because their faculty is not able to supervise them to actually do things. Unless the staff nurse can take the time to help them, the students don't get to do much. We have another school who only gives its student 2 or 3 days of peds clinical -- but I am sure they tell prospective students that they have peds clinical at the best children's hospital. I doubt they mention that it is only 3 days' worth. etc. etc. etc. That could make a big difference to a student interested in a peds career.

How did they just kick them out? Were they failing their classes? My mom just started nursing school and they decided to make all of the new nursing students pass these conversions test with a 97% or they will not be able to administer medicine! You do have 3 chances to take the test and it seems pretty easy but I think they should have told her about it before she quit her job and bought all of her school stuff. What is she can't pass it, then that would have been a waste of her time. Maybe they should have made it a pre-req to the program. So yeah it seems as though they try to wean out the ones who might struggle a little just to keep the schools pass rate up. This school actually flaunts their pass rate.

Lovely_RN, MSN

Has 11 years experience.

At least they told her at the beginning of her program and at the beginning of the semester. How about when they decide that you must pass your calculations exam with a 90% during the final semester with two tries after it's too late in the semester for a tuition refund?

How about they tell you that you have to have a certain score on a final winner take all loser walks away with nada HESI or ATI during the last few weeks of nursing?

How can they fail you?

One example....clinical rotations are pass and fail and it's all subjective.

Your clinical instructor can claim that you are not proficient in certain areas and if that's how they feel about it you can kiss your butt goodbye. You can be an A student who is too mouthy and have this happen to you. Since it's the instructors expert opinion the student really doesn't have any recourse.

Uofp only had 3 test takers in 2008!

However, Ethel Bauer's rate stilll blows...(anyone who still chooses to go there deserves the education that they get....)

Perhaps they have lower entry standards? It may say less about the quality of the educators than that of the students. Just sayin'.

At least they told her at the beginning of her program and at the beginning of the semester. How about when they decide that you must pass your calculations exam with a 90% during the final semester with two tries after it's too late in the semester for a tuition refund?

How about they tell you that you have to have a certain score on a final winner take all loser walks away with nada HESI or ATI during the last few weeks of nursing?

How can they fail you?

One example....clinical rotations are pass and fail and it's all subjective.

Your clinical instructor can claim that you are not proficient in certain areas and if that's how they feel about it you can kiss your butt goodbye. You can be an A student who is too mouthy and have this happen to you. Since it's the instructors expert opinion the student really doesn't have any recourse.

exactly.....the student is NOT always in the wrong....i am here to tell you.....

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN

Specializes in Cardiac.

Perhaps they have lower entry standards? It may say less about the quality of the educators than that of the students. Just sayin'.

You're missing the point.

Of course these rates indicate poor educators! It's NOT the students fault when only 50% or 60% pass. The are doing the work that the school is making them do. It's obvious to anyone who reads these boards to not go to ethal bauer, but people still do. That's their choice. But when the HESI or NCLEX comes up, and they can't pass, then they need to bear some responsibility on choosing the school that they did. Some people would rather get into any program ASAP rather than wait a year for a good quality school. Most of those students end of regretting their choice.

It's the student's responsibility to choose a good school (of course, some students only have one choice depending on where they live).

We are saying that students need to do their research before entering this poor quality schools and accept the education that they get.

cardiacRN2006, ADN, RN

Specializes in Cardiac.

At least they told her at the beginning of her program and at the beginning of the semester. How about when they decide that you must pass your calculations exam with a 90% during the final semester with two tries after it's too late in the semester for a tuition refund?

I was told about a week before our math exam that we had to pass it with 90%. I had one week to prepare, we had to self study and we were kicked out of the program if we failed.

And? Why is that such a bad thing?

As a nurse, if you can't pass that simple math exam then you should fail.

Guys, not everyone who enters nursing should be a nurse! People fail! So what?

I'm so tired of the entitlement attitude that just because you really like helping people or really want to be in the program that you should be a nurse. If you can't pass the standardized tests (especially something as elementary as the math exam) then you can't pass.

The goal of nursing school is to produce competent starter nurses, not to pass every single student. That's not their job. That's the student's job.

You can be an A student who is too mouthy and have this happen to you.

Seriously, students in cinical shouldnt' be "too mouthy". If that student failed it's her own darn fault...

I was told about a week before our math exam that we had to pass it with 90%. I had one week to prepare, we had to self study and we were kicked out of the program if we failed.

And? Why is that such a bad thing?

As a nurse, if you can't pass that simple math exam then you should fail.

Guys, not everyone who enters nursing should be a nurse! People fail! So what?

I'm so tired of the entitlement attitude that just because you really like helping people or really want to be in the program that you should be a nurse. If you can't pass the standardized tests (especially something as elementary as the math exam) then you can't pass.

The goal of nursing school is to produce competent starter nurses, not to pass every single student. That's not their job. That's the student's job.

Seriously, students in cinical shouldnt' be "too mouthy". If that student failed it's her own darn fault...

You had the guts to say what I have always thought. Absolutely correct. BTW, the "mouthiest" people in my clinicals usually deserved to fail anyway (that was why they were mouthy - to hide incompetence). And most did fail!

Lovely_RN, MSN

Has 11 years experience.

I've had a really long stressful day so I will take what you wrote with a grain of salt. I never wrote that everyone who enters nursing school deserves to pass just because they like helping people. So maybe you are trying to read more into what I wrote than what is there.

The point of what I wrote was that at least they told her mom what was required right from the beginning...that's more than fair. What isn't fair is telling someone what is required after the deadline for any sort of tuition refund has passed. Btw, I've always passed all of my exams..this was true when I was in LPN school and its true now that I am almost done with my RN program. So I'm not some failing loser who is railing at the unfairness of not being given my degree.

As far as students being mouthy....it's just an example....I was merely giving AZ a heads up about some of the pitfalls of nursing school. Whether or not a lowly nursing student has the right to ever express an opinion to a high and mighty godlike RN is not the topic of this post.

Have a nice day. :)

I was told about a week before our math exam that we had to pass it with 90%. I had one week to prepare, we had to self study and we were kicked out of the program if we failed.

And? Why is that such a bad thing?

As a nurse, if you can't pass that simple math exam then you should fail.

Guys, not everyone who enters nursing should be a nurse! People fail! So what?

I'm so tired of the entitlement attitude that just because you really like helping people or really want to be in the program that you should be a nurse. If you can't pass the standardized tests (especially something as elementary as the math exam) then you can't pass.

The goal of nursing school is to produce competent starter nurses, not to pass every single student. That's not their job. That's the student's job.

Seriously, students in cinical shouldnt' be "too mouthy". If that student failed it's her own darn fault...

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