This might make you think twice about which nursing school to go to

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I just thought I would share the link for the pass rate for the RN NCLEX in 2007 at all the Arizona schools. I find it kind of wierd that MCCDNP is all linked into one % for 2007. There are no scores for 2008 yet but I will be looking for it. I wonder if you can call the college and find out what their pass rate is? I want to know what each schools rate is in MCCDNP because this might affect my decision on which school I choose. Sometimes it is not just about getting in, it's also about what school is going to prepare you the best for that test and to be a nurse. :heartbeat Anyways, here is the link http://www.azbn.gov/documents/nclex/Statewide%20Nclex%20Results%20%202003-2007-WEB.pdf hopefully this works.

Uofp only had 3 test takers in 2008!

However, Ethel Bauer's rate stilll blows...(anyone who still chooses to go there deserves the education that they get....)

Perhaps they have lower entry standards? It may say less about the quality of the educators than that of the students. Just sayin'.

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At least they told her at the beginning of her program and at the beginning of the semester. How about when they decide that you must pass your calculations exam with a 90% during the final semester with two tries after it's too late in the semester for a tuition refund?

How about they tell you that you have to have a certain score on a final winner take all loser walks away with nada HESI or ATI during the last few weeks of nursing?

How can they fail you?

One example....clinical rotations are pass and fail and it's all subjective.

Your clinical instructor can claim that you are not proficient in certain areas and if that's how they feel about it you can kiss your butt goodbye. You can be an A student who is too mouthy and have this happen to you. Since it's the instructors expert opinion the student really doesn't have any recourse.

exactly.....the student is NOT always in the wrong....i am here to tell you.....

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Perhaps they have lower entry standards? It may say less about the quality of the educators than that of the students. Just sayin'.

You're missing the point.

Of course these rates indicate poor educators! It's NOT the students fault when only 50% or 60% pass. The are doing the work that the school is making them do. It's obvious to anyone who reads these boards to not go to ethal bauer, but people still do. That's their choice. But when the HESI or NCLEX comes up, and they can't pass, then they need to bear some responsibility on choosing the school that they did. Some people would rather get into any program ASAP rather than wait a year for a good quality school. Most of those students end of regretting their choice.

It's the student's responsibility to choose a good school (of course, some students only have one choice depending on where they live).

We are saying that students need to do their research before entering this poor quality schools and accept the education that they get.

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At least they told her at the beginning of her program and at the beginning of the semester. How about when they decide that you must pass your calculations exam with a 90% during the final semester with two tries after it's too late in the semester for a tuition refund?

I was told about a week before our math exam that we had to pass it with 90%. I had one week to prepare, we had to self study and we were kicked out of the program if we failed.

And? Why is that such a bad thing?

As a nurse, if you can't pass that simple math exam then you should fail.

Guys, not everyone who enters nursing should be a nurse! People fail! So what?

I'm so tired of the entitlement attitude that just because you really like helping people or really want to be in the program that you should be a nurse. If you can't pass the standardized tests (especially something as elementary as the math exam) then you can't pass.

The goal of nursing school is to produce competent starter nurses, not to pass every single student. That's not their job. That's the student's job.

You can be an A student who is too mouthy and have this happen to you.

Seriously, students in cinical shouldnt' be "too mouthy". If that student failed it's her own darn fault...

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I was told about a week before our math exam that we had to pass it with 90%. I had one week to prepare, we had to self study and we were kicked out of the program if we failed.

And? Why is that such a bad thing?

As a nurse, if you can't pass that simple math exam then you should fail.

Guys, not everyone who enters nursing should be a nurse! People fail! So what?

I'm so tired of the entitlement attitude that just because you really like helping people or really want to be in the program that you should be a nurse. If you can't pass the standardized tests (especially something as elementary as the math exam) then you can't pass.

The goal of nursing school is to produce competent starter nurses, not to pass every single student. That's not their job. That's the student's job.

Seriously, students in cinical shouldnt' be "too mouthy". If that student failed it's her own darn fault...

You had the guts to say what I have always thought. Absolutely correct. BTW, the "mouthiest" people in my clinicals usually deserved to fail anyway (that was why they were mouthy - to hide incompetence). And most did fail!

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I've had a really long stressful day so I will take what you wrote with a grain of salt. I never wrote that everyone who enters nursing school deserves to pass just because they like helping people. So maybe you are trying to read more into what I wrote than what is there.

The point of what I wrote was that at least they told her mom what was required right from the beginning...that's more than fair. What isn't fair is telling someone what is required after the deadline for any sort of tuition refund has passed. Btw, I've always passed all of my exams..this was true when I was in LPN school and its true now that I am almost done with my RN program. So I'm not some failing loser who is railing at the unfairness of not being given my degree.

As far as students being mouthy....it's just an example....I was merely giving AZ a heads up about some of the pitfalls of nursing school. Whether or not a lowly nursing student has the right to ever express an opinion to a high and mighty godlike RN is not the topic of this post.

Have a nice day. :)

I was told about a week before our math exam that we had to pass it with 90%. I had one week to prepare, we had to self study and we were kicked out of the program if we failed.

And? Why is that such a bad thing?

As a nurse, if you can't pass that simple math exam then you should fail.

Guys, not everyone who enters nursing should be a nurse! People fail! So what?

I'm so tired of the entitlement attitude that just because you really like helping people or really want to be in the program that you should be a nurse. If you can't pass the standardized tests (especially something as elementary as the math exam) then you can't pass.

The goal of nursing school is to produce competent starter nurses, not to pass every single student. That's not their job. That's the student's job.

Seriously, students in cinical shouldnt' be "too mouthy". If that student failed it's her own darn fault...

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Someone who allows a single test to determine whether or not they enroll/stay in an academic program solely because they want their money back if they fail is demonstrating a lack of conviction and personal accountability. Whether or not you know about the testing requirements before you enroll or after, should not be a deterrent. If you genuinely want to pass a program, you'll invest the personal time to ensure you meet the standard; regardless of what your instructors are like.

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Someone who allows a single test to determine whether or not they enroll/stay in an academic program solely because they want their money back if they fail is demonstrating a lack of conviction and personal accountability. Whether or not you know about the testing requirements before you enroll or after, it should not be a deterant. If you genuinely want to pass a program, you'll invest the personal time to ensure you meet the standard; regardless of what your instructors are like.

Amen!

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Someone who allows a single test to determine whether or not they enroll/stay in an academic program solely because they want their money back if they fail is demonstrating a lack of conviction and personal accountability. Whether or not you know about the testing requirements before you enroll or after, it should not be a deterant. If you genuinely want to pass a program, you'll invest the personal time to ensure you meet the standard; regardless of what your instructors are like.

I disagree.

I believe in clear cut expectations. Sorry but when I was in undergrad the expectations were laid out for all to know about from day one. Same thing when I was in my MSEd program all of the expectations for progress and graduation were laid out from day one...not day 99.

It's called respecting an adults right to make an informed decision.

If I had known about some of the crap that my school was going to pull on us then you had better believe that I would have chosen a different school to attend. That doesn't make me less dedicated to the profession of nursing or less responsible than anyone else. It merely means that I hate being jerked around and lied to. That said my tuition is paid up and nursing courses are non-transferable so I'm not going to risk having to start all over again. I know that I have to keep my very humble opinions to myself even when I can clearly see that the emperor is as naked as a jaybird. It's the total opposite from everything that I was taught in undergrad and grad school where the objective was to actually explore and learn through respectful debate.

Nursing has a weird culture.

It's almost like you are expected to bend over and grab your ankles in order to prove that you really want to become an RN. I know that some of it is because the nature of nursing at times is that you have to be able to follow very exact orders. However, aren't we also supposed to be patient advocates who can and will question what is questionable? Hmmmm, I don't know how you are supposed to have enough of a spine left after nursing school to question anything when all you do in school is nod and say yes ma'am no ma'am in order to keep your instructors fragile ego intact. :twocents:

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Hmmmm, I don't know how you are supposed to have enough of a spine left after nursing school to question anything when all you do in school is nod and say yes ma'am no ma'am in order to keep your instructors fragile ego intact. :twocents:

I left nursing school with a fully functioning spine intact! I never had to bend over and I never muttered the words "yes ma'am" ever! Never even considered the ego of my clinical instructor. That's a funny thought. Their egos never crossed my mind. My education was my only concern...

I knew how to play the game. It's called...knowing your place. It's not nursing, it's everywhere.

A mouthy nursing student in clinical isn't the brave one raging against the machine. She's probably just an annoying mouthy nursing student. I have come across many, many of them. Especially when they come to my ICU for orientation. Funny how most of them eventually fail out because it turned out that they didn't know squat.

My nursing school never failed anyone on clinical performance unless you were really, really bad. Those who were really, really bad usually failed out of theory so they never had to worry about failing clinical.

Nursing isn't like any other program in school and it shouldn't be compared to one either.

Fact is, most students who fail deserve to fail.

I have come across many nurses who SHOULD have failed.

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Just....because....that....was....your....experience....doesn't....mean....that....everyone....is....having...or...had...the...same....experience.

Unless I am mistaken we don't even live in the same region of the country. You graduated 2.5 years ago and I am still in school for my RN. So since we don't know each other why are you trying to invalidate my feelings and experiences? Can't you just post what you know without the side order of judgmental?

I posted my opinion....does that make it God's own truth? I think not and the same goes for you. We're both entitled to think and write what we want to on Allnurses as long as we follow the TOS.

I was sharing my personal experience with the OP...you know speaking for myself not you or anyone else. I think it was you who jumped in and started going on about who deserves to fail and accusing people of having a sense of entitlement.

That said opinions are like a certain part of the human anatomy and one human beings opinion doesn't mean anymore than anyone elses.

I left nursing school with a fully functioning spine intact! I never had to bend over and I never muttered the words "yes ma'am" ever! Never even considered the ego of my clinical instructor. That's a funny thought. Their egos never crossed my mind. My education was my only concern...

I knew how to play the game. It's called...knowing your place. It's not nursing, it's everywhere.

A mouthy nursing student in clinical isn't the brave one raging against the machine. She's probably just an annoying mouthy nursing student. I have come across many, many of them. Especially when they come to my ICU for orientation. Funny how most of them eventually fail out because it turned out that they didn't know squat.

My nursing school never failed anyone on clinical performance unless you were really, really bad. Those who were really, really bad usually failed out of theory so they never had to worry about failing clinical.

Nursing isn't like any other program in school and it shouldn't be compared to one either.

Fact is, most students who fail deserve to fail.

I have come across many nurses who SHOULD have failed.

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Just....because....that....was....your....experience....doesn't....mean....that....everyone....is....having...or...had..

.the...same....experience.

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And vice-versa.

Just because you are having a different time in nursing school doesn't mean everyone...had..the...same...hard...time.

And it doesnt' mean that the teachers all had fragile egos. Whenever I hear that I think, "excuses"

This is a discussion board. We are discussing. If you don't like what you are hearing then feel free to leave the discussion.

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