This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Comparing historical fascists to modern day authoritarians is absolutely appropriate.  Trump's own VP choice compared Trump to Hitler.  

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-vance-once-compared-trump-hitler-now-they-are-running-mates-2024-07-15/

Your second paragraph is conflating mental illness diagnosis with voluntary association with people who share your values or ideology. 

No Biden didn't say he was "super sorry". I guess you didn't listen to what he did say, eh? Maybe its not so important to you that you would want to hear what he said with your own ears. 

Why don't you go ahead and speculate about what you think that I would be saying had a liberal had just tried to shoot Biden at a campaign event. You have probably given that more thought than me.  

Biden really didn't need to apologize for anything but it showed humility for him to address it and talk about increasing civility and choosing different language.  

Trump also gets to be held accountable for what he says.  You still can't tell me why all of those people were so angry in 0106 or why they attacked the Capitol police and broke into the Capitol building.  Why were they so angry?  Why did they assemble and then attack the building.  Were they trying to stop the transition of power?  What motivated them, as a crowd, to do that? 

Now tell me what Biden said that might have motivated that young man.  Was that shooter on the call to the Biden donors when he said that about the bullseye?  No? Well then, maybe he just read about it in the media reports. Is that the same as hearing an impassioned speech which is encouraging people to stop a steal or to fight like hell for their country?  Maybe you think it is.  

If you think that you can expose some crazy liberal hypocrisy on this subject this forum is a good place to explore your evidence.  

As I've said, it's appropriate to compare current leaders to historical leaders... especially when there are so many shared characteristics.  I wouldn't have a problem with Biden making the comparison because Trump is very similar to Hitler.  

I'll expose you instead. If you truly think Trump is a threat and will literally inact a Nazi type authoritarian dictatorship if elected, then you shouldn't be saying that is was inappropriate for someone to attempt to assisinate him. Neither should Biden or any other Democrat that made this defamation against Trump that most likely motivated the try hard assassin. 

You should be praising the try hard assassin for attempting to kill Trump (Hitler) and giving bonus points for killing one Nazi follower (fire fighter killed) and almost taking out 2 more Nazi followers. No? 

So in effect, using your logic, you literally said it was bad that someone tried to kill Hitler. When almost everyone would consider such person a hero. I mean, who wouldn't want Hitler killed? 

Or your're full of it and do not really believe your own propaganda? Use of irresponsible hyperbolic language has proven time and again to be dangerous. Sometimes it incites a resurrection, and sometimes it incites an assassination. 

At least subee, while their comments were disgusting and abhorrent, isn't  a hypocrite.  

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subee said:

I would recommend to anyone who thinks this ISN'T a repeat of 1937 to read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.  The resemblence of Trumps about the unity theory and and the chararacter of the people he chooses to be around him are strricking familiar.  BTY, my condolences to Melania.

That's a good read.  I've read it twice and listened to an audio version that is available on YouTube.  

There is also an ABC adaptation of the book that was first aired in the 1960s that is available on YouTube.  There are 3 episodes, each about an hour long.  

subee said:

I would recommend to anyone who thinks this ISN'T a repeat of 1937 to read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.  The resemblence of Trumps about the unity theory and and the chararacter of the people he chooses to be around him are strricking familiar.  BTY, my condolences to Melania.

I would recommend to those who've bought into the Trump is Hitler rhetoric to read what the author of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich has to say on subject.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/americas/north-america/us/2021/01/trump-fascist

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Beerman said:

I would recommend to those who've bought into the Trump is Hitler rhetoric to read what the author of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich has to say on subject.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/americas/north-america/us/2021/01/trump-fascist

They don't really think he's Hitler. If they did why would they say the attempted assisination was inappropriate.  

Crusades said:

They don't really think he's Hitler. If they did why would they say the attempted assisination was inappropriate.  

Great point. Biden said (about Trump) that he's "grateful that he's doing well and recovering."

Would he really feel that way if Trump was another Hitler?  Or, was going to end democracy?

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Beerman said:

Great point. Biden said (about Trump) that he's "grateful that he's doing well and recovering."

Would he really feel that way if Trump was another Hitler?  Or, was going to end democracy?

Right? To to play by their rules..... 

Biden said that "he's great full that Hitler is doing well "! 

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Crusades said:

They don't really think he's Hitler. If they did why would they say the attempted assisination was inappropriate.  

I don't think the same way you do.  

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Beerman said:

Great point. Biden said (about Trump) that he's "grateful that he's doing well and recovering."

Would he really feel that way if Trump was another Hitler?  Or, was going to end democracy?

I imagine that Biden might let his deep personal faith influence and steady his feelings.  The teachings of Christ can be seen as a constant source of wisdom and calm when times are troubled and difficult.  It seems to me that Biden is measured and not emotional in his thinking.  

The best way to have stopped Hitler would have been to not have elected him.  Same with Trump.  

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Beerman said:

I would recommend to those who've bought into the Trump is Hitler rhetoric to read what the author of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich has to say on subject.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/americas/north-america/us/2021/01/trump-fascist

William Shirer wrote The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. 

Why do you suppose that JD Vance said that Trump was America's Hitler?

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"I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon who wouldn't be that bad (and might even prove useful) or that he's America's Hitler," he wrote privately to an associate on Facebook in 2016.

When his Hitler comment was first reported, in 2022, a spokesperson did not dispute it, but said it no longer represented Vance's views.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-vance-once-compared-trump-hitler-now-they-are-running-mates-2024-07-15/

In 2016 and during his presidency, I more often compared him to Mussolini.  A Hitler reference in 2016 seems extreme.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

William Shirer wrote The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. 

Why do you suppose that JD Vance said that Trump was America's Hitler?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-vance-once-compared-trump-hitler-now-they-are-running-mates-2024-07-15/

In 2016 and during his presidency, I more often compared him to Mussolini.  A Hitler reference in 2016 seems extreme.  

He probably said Trump was "American hitler" because he was engaging in hyperbolic propaganda. Seems common these days.... 

Not everyone is cemented in their beliefs.  He may have bought into that foolish propaganda about Trump. I did. Then I did not. 

Why do you suppose Kamala inferred Biden was racist? 

toomuchbaloney said:

William Shirer wrote The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. 

Why do you suppose that JD Vance said that Trump was America's Hitler?

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/jd-vance-once-compared-trump-hitler-now-they-are-running-mates-2024-07-15/

In 2016 and during his presidency, I more often compared him to Mussolini.  A Hitler reference in 2016 seems extreme.  

Correct on William Shirer.  My mistake. 

The article I linked to is by a historian who wrote a trilogy on the subject with similar titled books.  He still seems well-qualified on the subject.  Don't you agree?

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Many people have a more positive opinion of Trump now than they did before his term.

Heck, people who voted for Biden over him now realize their mistake and are going to vote for Trump.

I don't know enough about JD Vance to take a guess on what changed his mind.

Do you think Kamala changed her mind on Biden's past racist actions, or did she simply go for the power grab?

Tweety said:

That's just ugly.  

I love how people are so anti-violence when any kind of shooting occurs but Trump has an assignation problem and it's "no problem and too bad he missed"

I'll being taking a hiatus from these forums for a bit.  See you on the other side of something that brings me some peace.

Ugly indeed.  

I've seen ugly glimpses of characters here before, but it's been ratched up a few notches in the past few months and even more so in the last few days.

I'm not saying that you're saying the same thing.  Just sharing my view.

Great idea for a hiatus.  I'll join you.

 

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