The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.
The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood. I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time.
I think the fear or concern comes from the differing opinios of people in regards to children learning or being exposed to sexual topics, lgbtq or otherwise at a certain age. Parents believe they have a say in this but others say they should not have a say. Them default to accusations of bigotry and intolerance.
It is a known grooming technique to expose children to nudity and sexual topics in mild forms then gradually increase the intensity. This is to lessen inhibition.
I do not believe there is a huge amount of LGBTQ groomers. However, as with all statistics, the amount of perpetrators is in correlation to the population. Of course there is more heterosexual men groomers than non binary or trans. There is more retro male men in the population.
It's hard to measure as the data is complicated. Ex: is the groomer bio male or female? Female to male, male to female? Both? I'm not sure how a study would be able to effectively negotiate the data and calculate any accurate numbers.
Throwing fantastical accusations and calling eachother desparaging names will not solve the problem either. (In general, not saying you are).
It's hard to have a conversation when one side is saying "you are pushing your trans agenda on my child because you are grooming them " and the other saying "you are a transphobic bigot with conspiracy theories who refuses to accept my identity........ ".
I do understand that there are more heterosexual males that are groomers due to their being more of them. But someone like Jeffery Marsh speaking of acceptance and from a loving place is not a groomer. Nor are transgendered people wanting to be seen, nor are schools that acknowledge a persons chosen pronouns.
The data isn't complicated. Biological males, presenting as males, are the main perpetrators of abuse by far.
There are some female groomers as well, like those that groom prostitutes or sex trafficking. But even they are sometimes controlled by men.
It's a whole discussion whether education should acknowledge that queer people exist, or allow queer literature, due to parent's rights. Here in Florida it's a big deal and educators are being stifled in that regard and lawsuits are pending. Too bad there's a teacher shortage on top of that.
Obviously there are plenty of examples of male on male groomers...think Boy Scouts, think the Catholic Church, etc. That is grooming and sexual abuse.
Who says that parents shouldn't have a say? That sounds like fear mongering some kind of a boogeyman. Did you get this general feeling from something you've read or can you provide a specific example? In the absence of an example I call baloney.
Do you have a specific example of this happening because I can give you a pretty scary list of examples of that kind of progressive grooming in conservative Christian organizations of all kinds. I know a young woman who was victimized in a conservative "home church" in the Midwest.
Baloney.
No one is pushing a "trans agenda" on the children. That is a conspiracy theory. Grooming of children by the LGBTQ+ is a right wing conspiracy theory intended totrigger conservative people to believe, say and do bigoted things. Helping children to learn how to be polite in society when they encounter people and circumstances different from their own is important.
If you took a moment, I was not suggesting that the trans community is over represented as groomers. I'm not sure how that number would be possible to determine. Yes. There is far more Christian groomers because there are far more christian. But how is the actual number calculated in a very small population that has only recently been more visible and or what gender they were at the time of the offence? Man, woman, neither, or many? Were they charges as a woman, man or neither.
Again, I didn't say the trans community is doing anything. Only I'm not sure how that stat could be calculated.
Those who abuse children that claim they are Christians are false believers. Just as those who commit horrible terrorist attacks and inflict abuse on women are not representing of true Islam.
I do understand that there are more heterosexual males that are groomers due to their being more of them. But someone like Jeffery Marsh speaking of acceptance and from a loving place is not a groomer. Nor are transgendered people wanting to be seen, nor are schools that acknowledge a persons chosen pronouns.
It's a whole discussion whether education should acknowledge that queer people exist, or allow queer literature, due to parent's rights. Here in Florida it's a big deal and educators are being stifled in that regard. Too bad there's a teacher shortage on top of that.
Obviously there are plenty of examples of male on male groomers...think Boy Scouts, think the Catholic Church, etc. That is grooming and sexual abuse.
Of course queen people shpuld be know to exist. Queer literature is completely fine as long as it is age appropriate and not explicit. Same as any literature. Parent can teach their children about these topics in the manner in which they choose. This is how we get diversity of morals and values.
Any literature not appropriate for schools can be acquired at libraries or book stores, if the parents choose.
The parents in Florida can teach whatever they wish to their children. Either way.
Of course queen people shpuld be know to exist. Queer literature is completely fine as long as it is age appropriate and not explicit. Same as any literature. Parent can teach their children about these topics in the manner in which they choose. This is how we get diversity of morals and values.
Any literature not appropriate for schools can be acquired at libraries or book stores, if the parents choose.
The parents in Florida can teach whatever they wish to their children. Either way.
It comes down to choice on either side.
Removing age appropriate literature and banning those books (such a story about a kid that has two mothers) is about the choice of the parents that don't want that book and their "rights". Sure the parents that want banned books can get it for their kids if they choose. There are groups that distribute banned books at events and parents can choose to accept the books their kids don't get in school That's an interesting take about "choice on either side".
Same DA's office that thought it was important to use who knows how much resources to prosecute someone for calling a hush money payment a legal expense.
"NEW YORK (AP) — Dozens of Columbia University students who were arrested for occupying a campus building as part of a pro-Palestinian protest will have their criminal charges dropped, prosecutors said."
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If you took a moment, I was not suggesting that the trans community is over represented as groomers. I'm not sure how that number would be possible to determine. Yes. There is far more Christian groomers because there are far more christian. But how is the actual number calculated in a very small population that has only recently been more visible and or what gender they were at the time of the offence? Man, woman, neither, or many? Were they charges as a woman, man or neither.
Again, I didn't say the trans community is doing anything. Only I'm not sure how that stat could be calculated.
Those who abuse children that claim they are Christians are false believers. Just as those who commit horrible terrorist attacks and inflict abuse on women are not representing of true Islam.
In my view you are talking about the LGBTQ community relative to grooming or abuse of children because your media consumption has motivated you to mention it, not because there is any evidence that would warrant such mention or concern.
The hoopla over books in schools is manufactured. The outrage is manufactured and the result of campaigns from groups like Moms for Liberty. They are an extremist group who quotes Hitler.
Why don't you know that the numbers are determined in the same way the numbers are determined in other instances of abuse/ assault/ rape and grooming opportunities?
The country is full of people who call themselves Christian and who will then turn right around and attach themselves to the politician who is the embodiment of the 7 deadly sins. Trump has publicly demonstrated all of these; pride, envy, anger, sloth, greed, gluttony, and lust. Yet, evangelical Christians love him.
In my view you are talking about the LGBTQ community relative to grooming or abuse of children because your media consumption has motivated you to mention it, not because there is any evidence that would warrant such mention or concern.
The hoopla over books in schools is manufactured. The outrage is manufactured and the result of campaigns from groups like Moms for Liberty. They are an extremist group who quotes Hitler.
Why don't you know that the numbers are determined in the same way the numbers are determined in other instances of abuse/ assault/ rape and grooming opportunities?
The country is full of people who call themselves Christian and who will then turn right around and attach themselves to the politician who is the embodiment of the 7 deadly sins. Trump has publicly demonstrated all of these; pride, envy, anger, sloth, greed, gluttony, and lust. Yet, evangelical Christians love him.
You view is wrong and you have no way to know what media I watch .
Do you know? How does such things get reported? Does "the same way" mean sex at birth?
When collecting data on sex offenders, what is the SOP?
Do they record the identifying gender as the bio sex, the identifying gender at the time, neither ?
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Beerman said:
Same DA's office that thought it was important to use who knows how much resources to prosecute someone for calling a hush money payment a legal expense.
"NEW YORK (AP) — Dozens of Columbia University students who were arrested for occupying a campus building as part of a pro-Palestinian protest will have their criminal charges dropped, prosecutors said."
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Crusades said:
You view is wrong and you have no way to know what media I watch .
Do you know? How does such things get reported? Does "the same way" mean sex at birth?
When collecting data on sex offenders, what is the SOP?
Do they record the identifying gender as the bio sex, the identifying gender at the time, neither ?
I'm not interested in what Christians think.
I know what you say here and I know what media reports some of the things you believe. I know that you repeat Trump's lies and defenses.
The same way means the same way. Data doesn't really get confused in the same way you are confused. You should look at the data, maybe it will help you to understand that you are upset and confused about something that isn't really a problem for people living in this country.
I'm interested in the hypocrisy of modern American Christians. You seem to agree that many of the Trump supporting Christians aren't really Christians.
I know what you say here and I know what media reports some of the things you believe. I know that you repeat Trump's lies and defenses.
The same way means the same way. Data doesn't really get confused in the same way you are confused. You should look at the data, maybe it will help you to understand that you are upset and confused about something that isn't really a problem for people living in this country.
I'm interested in the hypocrisy of modern American Christians. You seem to agree that many of the Trump supporting Christians aren't
I'm not sure how you know I'm "upset and confused"? Is this an attempt to discredit the topics in which you do not agree with or understand?
You know a fundamental tactic of propaganda is to assert the opposing opinion or threat to the narrative is irrationality? Emotions = irrationality. Or fallacies:
Fallacy Based on Appeal to Indignation or Anger
The problem with the appeal to indignation or anger is that anger is a poor substitute for reasoning. On the contrary, anger clouds thinking. And anyway, sometimes we are angry for irrational reasons
Distribution Fallacies: Composition and Division
Distribution fallacies arise two ways: In the composition fallacy, I know the characteristics of the whole, and (wrongly) attribute those characteristics to each of its parts. Stereotyping of individuals may result from a composition fallacy.
(Christians)
Guilt by Association Fallacy
The guilt by association fallacy muddles the process of fairly evaluating an idea, person, or group by interjecting irrelevant and misleading negative material. Think of it as a kind of red herring (below). This fallacy tries to connect ideas or persons to something unsavory or untrustworthy in order to discredit them. Take, for example, this claim made by an individual running against the incumbent for the office of sheriff: "Our sheriff has breakfast every single week with the head of a white supremacist group.” The fact that this weekly breakfast is attended by thirty-five local businessmen, including the head of the white supremacist group, is selectively omitted here
When collecting data on sex offenders, what is the SOP?
Do they record the identifying gender as the bio sex, the identifying gender at the time, neither ?
Fair question I suppose. But as good as I am at research, I can't find a good answer. My best guess is they are recorded as transgendered. I've read several articles that most transgendered women are assigned to male prisons so their birth gender is what is considered most.
One government study showed 92.1% of sexual offenders were male but didn't seem to make a distinction that some of them might have been transgendered women. Also my best guess as to how many of them are transgendered doesn't compare to cisgendered males. It's really an insignificant point to me.
Also I found a lot of evidence that transgendered persons are sexually abused themselves at a higher rate than cisgendered males.
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I must be really out of touch when I knew about the murder of someone by an illegal immigrant but nothing about other mass shootings. But I guess I do now.
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I do understand that there are more heterosexual males that are groomers due to their being more of them. But someone like Jeffery Marsh speaking of acceptance and from a loving place is not a groomer. Nor are transgendered people wanting to be seen, nor are schools that acknowledge a persons chosen pronouns.
The data isn't complicated. Biological males, presenting as males, are the main perpetrators of abuse by far.
There are some female groomers as well, like those that groom prostitutes or sex trafficking. But even they are sometimes controlled by men.
It's a whole discussion whether education should acknowledge that queer people exist, or allow queer literature, due to parent's rights. Here in Florida it's a big deal and educators are being stifled in that regard and lawsuits are pending. Too bad there's a teacher shortage on top of that.
Obviously there are plenty of examples of male on male groomers...think Boy Scouts, think the Catholic Church, etc. That is grooming and sexual abuse.