This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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nursej22 said:

Well said, mtmkjr.

I am ready to be done with Biden. He's out of office, he can't issue any more pardons. He is history. 

The other guy, will be around for 4 more years (if health problems don't get to him). He's freed convicted and admitted violent criminals, and may do so again, if they re-offend. 

 The elected guy is a criminal himself and our expectations should match that reality.   

mtmkjr said:

I absolutely hate the preemptive pardons for Biden's family and for the January 6th committee. I also hate that he pardoned  violent criminals.  I hate a lot about his final years when he did a lot of things that emboldened Trump and turned it into a what about for everyone. He lost my respect in many ways. 

I don't see the two presidential pardons The same in that Biden is a bitter president going out and he will be history. His pardons don't have impact on the country as a whole. It is very wrong for the individuals who were the victims that their attackers are getting off. But We all face our Maker one day, so as imperfect as justice is on this earth, I have confidence everything is made right in the end. 

The difference with what Trump did is the fact that he did this on his first day. Among many other things it sets the tone for what is to come. It gives his fans the signal that he has their back if there comes another time where something is forced by violence. 

I'll go as far as to say if he had pardoned all the January 6 rioters on the way out the door, I would consider it wrong and an injustice but I would not see it as a threat to our country, and going forward be all the more mistrustful of a president who demands law & order for certain people, but throws it out the window when it benefits him.

Those who call undocumented immigrants "illegals" should be a little more consistent. 

 

 

Out of 330 million people in this country, not even 2000 were convicted of anything in relation to Jan 6.  And only 1/3 of those were of a violent type of crime.  While a relatively few should have stayed locked up, some of those "violent" crimes were things such as trying to grab a baton while it was being swung at them. 

And all of those were locked up for a while and did suffer other consequences. 

It's also my understanding that the president can't pardon state prosecuted criminals. 

January 6 was an anomaly.

We shall see, but for all those reasons you being frightened  of Trump having the back of future criminals  seems silly to me.

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Beerman said:

While a relatively few should have stayed locked up, some of those "violent" crimes were things such as trying to grab a baton while it was being swung at them. 

 

That's an interesting rewrite.  It wasn't like they were innocently walking down the street with a protest sign and batons started swinging.  They stormed the Capitol,

Anyway, it was an anomaly and I'd like to think we don't have much to fear from most of them.  I don't like that they think they are patriots and feels no remorse or have no understanding that Trump lost and that what they did wasn't right.  

It would have to take another anomaly such as Trump being impeached or something like that to bring them out again.  If only Trump would have conceded and promoted Democracy we wouldn't be having this conversation.  At least now most of them believe in Democracy again even if they think this was his third win.

 

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Beerman said:

"Flagship newscasts on ABC, CBS and NBC spent over 46 minutes covering President Donald Trump pardoning Jan. 6 defendants but barely found time to mention former President Joe Biden issuing preemptive pardons for his family, according to a new study."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-cbs-nbc-spent-over-46-minutes-covering-trump-jan-6-pardons-3-minutes-biden-pardoning-his-family?fbclid=IwY2xjawIEiE1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHT2kos6trcnePi5fFLvUy1zmykpvmMyw8cMu7wGTGdYSTvYHgQ_Puy-f5g_aem_KtPDhceNnbpTnwkUZ5EFSA

Right? When they went on and on how terrible it would have be when it was the Trump rumor if the day! 

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toomuchbaloney said:

https://ccf.georgetown.edu/2025/01/22/cutting-federal-medicaid-payments-to-states-bad-news-for-their-credit-ratings/

It remains unclear if Trumpublicans don't understand what these things mean or if they simply don't care.  It is possible that they don't understand AND they don't care; Trump is the model, after all.  

Is that the new buzz name? "Trumpublicans"? Is this the same or different than MAGA? It's hard to keep up with the lingo.  

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Beerman said:

Out of 330 million people in this country, not even 2000 were convicted of anything in relation to Jan 6.  And only 1/3 of those were of a violent type of crime.  While a relatively few should have stayed locked up, some of those "violent" crimes were things such as trying to grab a baton while it was being swung at them. 

And all of those were locked up for a while and did suffer other consequences. 

It's also my understanding that the president can't pardon state prosecuted criminals. 

January 6 was an anomaly.

We shall see, but for all those reasons you being frightened  of Trump having the back of future criminals  seems silly to me.

Well I'd say that with the bail money fundraising and the compliant if not encouragement from the democrats during the 2020 riots, it's even. 

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Crusades said:

Well I'd say that with the bail money fundraising and the compliant if not encouragement from the democrats during the 2020 riots, it's even. 

There is it, the old default to an unrelated topic when Jan 6th is brought up.  (in another post somewhere I called it)

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Tweety said:

There is it, the old default to an unrelated topic when Jan 6th is brought up.  (in another post somewhere I called it)

That's the thing. It's not unrelated. Want to know why people voted for Trump and have very little care about his pardoning of these people. (Won't go as far as calling them hostages)? 

Even though storming the capital during an official process is "worse" than rioting and setting fires over "social justice" not everyone see it that way. Or understands this. Some see it as major contradiction in the way democrats managed and viewed the riots of 2020. That's why it relates to eachother. 

 

What a courageous athlete!

"Not the race I was looking for at all this week, my spikes nearly fell off on the turn and with a poor start my time wasn't nearly what I wanted," the RIT runner wrote in an Instagram post."

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ncaa-transgender-female-runner-laments-issue-spikes-despite-clobbering-competition-meet

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Beerman said:

What a courageous athlete!

"Not the race I was looking for at all this week, my spikes nearly fell off on the turn and with a poor start my time wasn't nearly what I wanted," the RIT runner wrote in an Instagram post."

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/ncaa-transgender-female-runner-laments-issue-spikes-despite-clobbering-competition-meet

Right? So good and better than the other women even with a "poor start". 

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Tweety said:

 

That's an interesting rewrite.  It wasn't like they were innocently walking down the street with a protest sign and batons started swinging.  They stormed the Capitol,

Anyway, it was an anomaly and I'd like to think we don't have much to fear from most of them.  I don't like that they think they are patriots and feels no remorse or have no understanding that Trump lost and that what they did wasn't right.  

It would have to take another anomaly such as Trump being impeached or something like that to bring them out again.  If only Trump would have conceded and promoted Democracy we wouldn't be having this conversation.  At least now most of them believe in Democracy again even if they think this was his third win.

 

Only 30 % of the country voted for Trump and he thinks he has a mandate.  I guess on 30% of the country is bats^*@t crazy but it's the 36% of people which is also disspiriting since this really didn't have to happen of a few more people were not so intellectually lazy.  I watched a segment of Trumpers  on Hollywood Blvd. being interviewed about their disappointment about MLK not showing up at the inauguration.   Amazing that anybody fell for the question much less go into a story about how he should have been there.   Scary that they walk amongst us.

 

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Crusades said:

Is that the new buzz name? "Trumpublicans"? Is this the same or different than MAGA? It's hard to keep up with the lingo.  

No, it's been around a while and MAGA uses it to describe themselves.  You can get your t-shirt here:  they make hats too

https://www.etsy.com/market/trumplican_shirt

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