Now since hospitals are no longer hiring LPN's I think CNAs could possibly have more job requirements later in the future. CNA's already do EKG's and blood draws at some hospitals with further training.
In the LPN course at my college they do not teach IV's, they are told they wont do anything invovling IVs but yet when hired they prepare them! The only thing they cant do is push meds.
Somebody will have to pick up the duties right, or you think Im wrong here?
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You arent able to participate in a discussion that you, yourself started?! . Way to be an adult there, buddy. Do us all a favor and you be the one to go away.
Im just trying to see if anyone thinks the same. all I ask are simple questions, theres no need for rude sarcasm here just because you might know more info than I do. I dont deserve the comments posted by fuzz boy or who ever that person is. Some of the adults here are very rude, not only on this post but on several other posts Ive read. So if you dont have anything nice to say then Id rather you not comment.
CNA's will NEVER get more $$$$$. I've been an aide for a while now while waiting to get into nursing schools (another story, and me with a 3.9 GPA, great references, etc. - D&*M wait lists!)
anyway, they keep trying to squeeze more and more work out of us, while expencting great patient care, with a high load of high acuity people!
If we do take on LPN duties, we will need more training, but you can bet your a&& the pay raise will be minimal if at all
I worked as an aide at an LTC, then as a tech at a hospital before I became an LPN. I took the CNA course at the nursing home, basic stuff (adls, lifting...) when I started at the hospital, I received training for ekgs, foleys, a lab orientation, I had to get my own phlebotomy certification. I heard the whole time that the LPN was going to be phased out. When I was in school, IV was a part of the curriculum, if we didn't pass that, we didn't graduate. My point is, each person is an integral part of the nursing team. I've acted as a tech when needed, RNs have acted as LPN when needed. I've even had DONs that run a med pass when needed.
The sad fact is, health care is a business. If a business feels it can save money by cross training some of the staff and still provide a service, they will. There will always be someone who gladly takes on the extra duties while being thankful they have a job, there are others who will take on the extra duties because they truly believe in what they're doing. Businesses know this and take advantage of it. What comes into my mind....the liability....I think of some of the aides I have worked with and I wouldn't want them anywhere near me. Just because they showed up daily for the CNA or Tech classes, does not mean they should have certain responsibilities.
When I was a CNA we did all the blood draws, we removed the INT's and Foley caths, the CNAs in L&D inserted foley caths, of course we did all the vitals, we did accuchecks, some of the nurses tried to get us to do simple dressing changes, but that actually wasn't in my scope so I never would do that. When I became an LPN the hospital was trying to phase out LPNs. Of course it's not working LPNs are still there but not so much as a new hire. All of that for 10.50 per hour.
First ( and this is coming from an LPN) yes in general right now less hospitals overall are not hiring LPNs. That
being said hospitals do still hire LPNs-usually with exp. WHY-cause they are cheaper and depending on what area can do
alot-NOT ALL of what an RN does. In my hospital they have not hired LPNs for yrs until the right LPN comes along and
they hire them. This has happened 2 or 3 times in the last 10 yrs. Our DON says " You guys are good for my budget"
Also I work opposite another LPN. So on our floor, it's a Geri-Med-Pysch. it's always 1 RN 1 LPN and 1CNA on 11-7.
Also our RNs love it cause they are always in charge when they work which means .75 cent more a hr-about 100.00
bucks more a month to babysit us-which is fine. They have been getting rid of LPNs for yrs and yrs and yrs in hospitals. Lots of hospitals have critical care techs-which are very well trained and skillful ( EKGs, fingersticks and such). In a hospital
you will NEVER find these people passing meds or writing notes. FYI-my daughter is in LPN ( shocking that I would tell
her not to go for the RN) and they just in IVs the other day. So it really depends in where u live is the bottom line. And
right now in MA like in CA. there no jobs in any hospitals for new grad RNs being posted ( before this becomes a whole
new topic-new grads have been hired in the hospitals where they worked as LPNs or CNAs or cause they know someone).
Jobs are also limited for NHs if your a new grad, even a new grad RN.
My best friend has been an LPN for 5 years. She just got her RN about 6 months ago, and she is having one heck of a time finding a job. They want an RN with lots of experience. She is being treated as if she is a brand new nurse with no experience. It does not matter she was a CNA for 5 years, then and LPN for another 5 years. That's a total of 10 years Nursing experience. It has gotten so bad, she wants to renew her LPN license in hopes of finding a job. She says she was offered better rates as an LPN than as a new grad RN! It's bad considering there are a bunch of new grads in need of a job in the "nursing shortage crisis". No one is willing to give them a job because they are new nurses! urgh!!!!! In this area, if you are a new RN grad, you can expect to recieve about the same pay as a highly paid LPN. Hospitals are almost off limits for LPN's. Only 1 or 2 out of the 15 hospitals in this area hire LPN's. The job availability all depends on where you live.
The hospital near my home recently got rid of their LVNs and stopped hiring them. They are not the first to do this since I have been in this area, only a couple of years. I notice that their job listings for CNAs have not diminished, but there sure aren't many listings at all for RNs. Makes one wonder.
At my hospital, they just ousted 3 LPNs- the one left that was on our floor had worked on that floor, as an LPN, for 40 years. They got rid of her to make RN positions- so a new grad is more in demand than someone with 40 yrs - It's disgusting. I see in the furture, the powers that be will try to fill some of the open positions with CNAs or "Med Techs"- They will send people through an 8 week med course, put them on the floors in a hospital, under the RN, and tell the RN- You now have 20 med/surg patients, but don't worry, the techs will do the meds- We are going to get it stuck to us, wait and see.If we were smart, we'd start lobbying against the use of med techs, or whatever you want to call it.
The hospital near my home recently got rid of their LVNs and stopped hiring them. They are not the first to do this since I have been in this area, only a couple of years. I notice that their job listings for CNAs have not diminished, but there sure aren't many listings at all for RNs. Makes one wonder.
You're in Cali, I'm guessing. (lol...the name gives it away). I've seen so many listings for CNA and Medical Assistant. When there are LVN positions posted, I'm sure they're flooded with apps. And when an ad says Med Assistant/LVN...they'll check out the MA first...don't have to pay them as much as an LVN.
Recently I noticed one of the hospitals having just per diem spots for RNs, no benefits for them, saves money. I do have an interview on Friday (finally!!) I'm anxious already. I have never been this stressed over job searches before. I keep wondering what I have to do to really stand out and make an impression.
I do agree that cna are picking up more duties. I don't however think that hospital are doing away with lpn's. There is more training involved to be an lpn.
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How old are you?
You arent able to participate in a discussion that you, yourself started?!
. Way to be an adult there, buddy. Do us all a favor and you be the one to go away.