I confess to back pedaling into Trump territory when I wanted to leave discussions about him in the garbage can. My thread on the read-only break room site has 9,600 replies so I thought I'd bring up a new one.
He's not going away.
Haberman's book is out based on interviews. I won't read it, but the excerpts are interesting. Especially what he says about McConnell, a description that's against the Terms of Service here, but I actually don't disagree with. LOL
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“At one point, Trump made a candid admission that was as jarring as it was ultimately unsurprising. ‘The question I get asked more than any other question: “If you had it to do again, would you have done it?”’Trump said of running for president. ‘The answer is, yeah, I think so. Because here’s the way I look at it. I have so many rich friends and nobody knows who they are.’ … Reflecting on the meaning of having been president of the United States, his first impulse was not to mention public service, or what he felt he’d accomplished, only that it appeared to be a vehicle for fame, and that many experiences were only worth having if someone else envied them.”
Agree, this is what Democracy is, advocating for your candidate and advocating against the other guy. And you don't stop until the last day.
At the end of it all Democracy decides, you accept the results and you move on.
I suppose we should be encouraged by a "let Democracy decide" from a person voting for a candidate and followers that could not let Democracy decide in 2020. Weird.
Well. The majority of the people present at the Jan. 6 protest/riot were in fact mostly peacful. Just as the majority of the protesters during the 2020 protest/riots were mostly peacful.
The violence of both were exploited by both sides of the media.
It would seem weird that people who tend to promote democracy would try to inhibit the transfer of power on Jan.6. It's also would seem weird that more than 20 blk people died in the 2020 riots, rioting over the death of a blk man. And destroying communities of mostly blk people.
The majority of of Jan.6 protesters were not trying to prevent a democratic process. They were protesting because they believed that the democratic process was already compromised. Some were violent and were arrested.
The rioters of 2020 were , well I'm not quite sure what they were trying to do and left media doesn't seem explain and mak3 excuses , the right media is apparently all propaganda for being right so can't rely on that.
Trump says he'll pardon some of the Jan.6 offenders and Harris fundraiser to bail out the offenders on 2020 riots and promoted no cash bail and to defund the police.
Democrats also have Trump's record of policy failure to campaign on. Review of Trump's record of abuse of power and abuse of women and abuse of the laws is fair game for the antiTrump republican groups and PACs. Liberals also have Trump's disqualifying character flaws, malignant narcissistic personality disorder and pathological lying to integrate into campaign messaging.
The underdog Harris campaign is just getting started in giving Trump and his odd VP choice political heartburn. Trump will get crazier when Harris announces her running mate and gets the expected polling boost that follows a national convention. Trump isn't widely liked anyway. There are solid reasons that he is ranked at the bottom of presidents.
Yes. It's also disingenuous and phoney to lie and pretend that Biden is as sharp as a knife for 4 years then when even the most skilled propagandists can no longer keep up the farce then dump him toward the end of an election cycle because he had no chance of winning. Then to pick someone else 100 days away from the election.
Also to suggests Trump is Hiltler incarnate and he will put people in camps and force pregnancy on women and ruin out democracy then either feign outrage when he is almost assinated is even more phoney and disingenuous.
Then to mumble about a dressing size and dispute it was a bullet that hit his ear while a innocent person was shot with a bullet is also disingenuous. Especially when it's on live TV
Well. The majority of the people present at the Jan. 6 protest/riot were in fact mostly peacful. Just as the majority of the protesters during the 2020 protest/riots were mostly peacful.
The violence of both were exploited by both sides of the media.
It would seem weird that people who tend to promote democracy would try to inhibit the transfer of power on Jan.6. It's also would seem weird that more than 20 blk people died in the 2020 riots, rioting over the death of a blk man. And destroying communities of mostly blk people.
The majority of of Jan.6 protesters were not trying to prevent a democratic process. They were protesting because they believed that the democratic process was already compromised. Some were violent and were arrested.
The rioters of 2020 were , well I'm not quite sure what they were trying to do and left media doesn't seem explain and mak3 excuses , the right media is apparently all propaganda for being right so can't rely on that.
Trump says he'll pardon some of the Jan.6 offenders and Harris fundraiser to bail out the offenders on 2020 riots and promoted no cash bail and to defund the police.
It is all very weird indeed. 😕
It's interesting that you use the term "protestors" when describing January 6th and "rioters" when talking about the BLM protests of 2020 as if the reason they were out there protesting isn't even worth mentioning.
But yes the destruction of the rioters is a mystery. I don't get it. Even when a team loses a football game sometimes people destroy things. Weird.
Yes Harris praised the idea of "defund the police" but you do know that the police are not funded by the White House and she can't promise to defund the police. Can you provide a link where she says she will do this if elected?
In my opinion the protestors on January 6th were indeed mostly peaceful, and that point has been made many times. But they were there because they believed the election was stolen and that democracy failed. They believed the big lie that Trump won the election.
But no need to rehash things we talked about in 2020 ad nauseam on these forums. I know you weren't part of those discussions and you do seem to echo a lot of what was said at the time. I really don't want to go back.
It's interesting that you use the term "protestors" when describing January 6th and "rioters" when talking about the BLM protests of 2020 as if the reason they were out there protesting isn't even worth mentioning.
But yes the destruction of the rioters is a mystery. I don't get it. Even when a team loses a football game sometimes people destroy things. Weird.
Yes Harris praised the idea of "defund the police" but you do know that the police are not funded by the White House and she can't promise to defund the police. Can you provide a link where she says she will do this if elected?
In my opinion the protestors on January 6th were indeed mostly peaceful, and that point has been made many times. But they were there because they believed the election was stolen and that democracy failed. They believed the big lie that Trump won the election.
But no need to rehash things we talked about in 2020 ad nauseam on these forums. I know you weren't part of those discussions and you do seem to echo a lot of what was said at the time. I really don't want
I thought I referred to both events as "protestors" and "rioters".? Perhaps my sub contious was involved as the 2020 riots lasted for months and the Jan 6 riots lasted 4 hrs? So the former was more prominent in my mind? Perhaps this is what made my comment sound bias?
Harris admissions of defending the police gives insight to her radical ideology. I'm not sure where I stated she would/could do this. Of course she can't.
And nor can Trump "end the constitution" as president.
A onetime attorney for former President Donald Trump has agreed to a cooperation agreement with the Arizona attorney general in the state's "fake electors" case.
Jenna Ellis, an attorney for Trump's 2020 campaign, is one of 18 individuals charged in April for allegedly scheming to undermine President Biden's victory in Arizona in 2020 and deliver the state's 11 electoral votes to Trump.
Well, maybe we should rehash some of the events of 2020. She already pleaded guilty in a Georgia case. Wonder what she has to say?
The majority of of Jan.6 protesters were not trying to prevent a democratic process.....The rioters of 2020 were , well I'm not quite sure what they were trying to do
But earlier you did say protestors/rioters to describe both. Perhaps I'm nitpicking about your deeper dive into the conversation.
I stand corrected and misread what you said about Harris and defunding the police. My eyes must have been crossed and don't know why I went on that tangent. Apologies.
I've never been a fan of "defund the police" but I think I might understand the concept a bit better than people promoting it as a radical agenda that will let criminals run rampant. Considering there's a deputy in jail in Illinois for murdering a black woman who called 911 for help, I'm not sure what the answer is. At least the protests have been peaceful.
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Crusades said:
Yes. It's also disingenuous and phoney to lie and pretend that Biden is as sharp as a knife for 4 years then when even the most skilled propagandists can no longer keep up the farce then dump him toward the end of an election cycle because he had no chance of winning. Then to pick someone else 100 days away from the election.
Also to suggests Trump is Hiltler incarnate and he will put people in camps and force pregnancy on women and ruin out democracy then either feign outrage when he is almost assinated is even more phoney and disingenuous.
Then to mumble about a dressing size and dispute it was a bullet that hit his ear while a innocent person was shot with a bullet is also disingenuous. Especially when it's on live TV
Biden isn't the candidate. You're stock in the past again.
"Hitler incarnate" is the language you use while you also have suggested that assassination of such a figure might be OK. You can't project any of that onto me. It's funny that you attach that baloney to a mini rant about disingenuous and phony behavior while backing a man literally found liable for fraud more than once.
Trump is a phony is so many ways it is normal to consider that any narrative or messaging coming from Trump is suspect. You are still triggered by how underwhelmed many are by the severity of his wound and Trump's judgement as he put himself and others in danger during the shooting.
Repeatedly bringing this up is unlikely to bring you the satisfaction you seem to be seeking. The facts aren't going to change.
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Crusades said:
I thought I referred to both events as "protestors" and "rioters".? Perhaps my sub contious was involved as the 2020 riots lasted for months and the Jan 6 riots lasted 4 hrs? So the former was more prominent in my mind? Perhaps this is what made my comment sound bias?
Harris admissions of defending the police gives insight to her radical ideology. I'm not sure where I stated she would/could do this. Of course she can't.
And nor can Trump "end the constitution" as president.
Such is life.......
One protest lasted for 4 hours, involved a beach of security boundaries at the Capitol building before Trump's speech was done and was all based upon a cascade of lies and propaganda about the election. Trump said those people were special and he loved them.
The other protest lasted much longer because it is a peaceful movement that was a response to a brutal public murder of a black male by a white police officer. The movement was manifested in every state with peaceful protests across the country.
Yes, Trump can break the intentions and boundaries of the constitution when he controls a political party with powerful members in congress who will allow him to. Don't be naive. They already use Congress's powers to assist Trump in his attempt to regain power. They crashed an important immigration and border bill because Trump told them to.
Biden isn't the candidate. You're stock in the past again.
I think the Biden that was elected aged very fast and wasn't the Biden the Democrats urged to drop out. I will always say that he's performed very well as a President. It's weird that people that claimed he was senile and unfit are so upset with Democrats for asking him to step down when really it was the right thing for him to do.
But I also think insiders let us down and he was worse that they were letting on, and why they urged him on to a 2nd term is a mystery.
If the idea was that he was going to lose they would have as suggested tossed him aside much earlier. He was polling relatively well against Trump, so I think Crusades is wrong about that theory.
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Tweety said:
I think the Biden that was elected aged very fast and wasn't the Biden the Democrats urged to drop out. I will always say that he's performed very well as a President. It's weird that people that claimed he was senile and unfit are so upset with Democrats for asking him to step down when really it was the right thing for him to do.
But I also think insiders let us down and he was worse that they were letting on, and why they urged him on to a 2nd term is a mystery.
If the idea was that he was going to lose they would have as suggested tossed him aside much earlier. He was polling relatively well against Trump, so I think Crusades is wrong about that theory.
But then again, that's yesterday's news.
I don't really agree with all of that. I think that Biden is more cognitively intact than Trump. It is yesterday's news because the only old guy in the race now is the felon. He would never step aside under any circumstance.
I don't really agree with all of that. I think that Biden is more cognitively intact than Trump. It is yesterday's news because the only old guy in the race now is the felon. He would never step aside under any circumstance.
I didn't mean to compare the two, but fair enough as this is the Trump thread. Trump is a hard one to pin down cognitive wise because he lies, rambles and makes stuff up but he did that 8 years ago when he was younger.
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Well. The majority of the people present at the Jan. 6 protest/riot were in fact mostly peacful. Just as the majority of the protesters during the 2020 protest/riots were mostly peacful.
The violence of both were exploited by both sides of the media.
It would seem weird that people who tend to promote democracy would try to inhibit the transfer of power on Jan.6. It's also would seem weird that more than 20 blk people died in the 2020 riots, rioting over the death of a blk man. And destroying communities of mostly blk people.
The majority of of Jan.6 protesters were not trying to prevent a democratic process. They were protesting because they believed that the democratic process was already compromised. Some were violent and were arrested.
The rioters of 2020 were , well I'm not quite sure what they were trying to do and left media doesn't seem explain and mak3 excuses , the right media is apparently all propaganda for being right so can't rely on that.
Trump says he'll pardon some of the Jan.6 offenders and Harris fundraiser to bail out the offenders on 2020 riots and promoted no cash bail and to defund the police.
It is all very weird indeed. 😕