The Kamala Harris Thread

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Democrats are excited about Harris and as of this writing she's raised 100 million dollars since Biden announced he was dropping out and throwing his support behind her.

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"Republicans, I worry, vastly underestimate Kamala Harris. They don't think very highly of her. They don't think she's terribly bright. When you or I bring up Kamala Harris' name in Republican circles, people laugh. It's immediately a punchline," Cruz said Monday on his podcast "Verdict with Ted Cruz." 

Cruz warned against Republicans preemptively celebrating a Trump-Vance win months out from the election, arguing Democrats and the media will promote Harris as an "historic" candidate. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cruz-warns-against-underestimating-harris-dems-pitching-her-mother-teresa-oprah-gandhi-combo

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toomuchbaloney said:

I mentioned before that these weird attacks from Trump sychophants are going to continue as long as candidate Trump has no actual strategy for campaigning against Harris.  Without direction from Trump, the criticism and attacks on Harris will reflect the values and beliefs of his voting base while demonstrating their relative ignorance of who she really is and what she believes in.  

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Republicans have lost their soul and they have no moral leader.  Instead of saying "this is our candidate lets go after issues and qualifications", they resort to DEI, "she's the original hawk tuah girl", "she ate a bag of Doritos", "her husband hugged his daughter".  I'm not saying Democrats aren't petty and blow things up, because they do.

 But Republicans under Trump take it to a new level..he uses AI, mockery, insults and thinks he's better looking that her.  But I've also said, the more insulting and outrageous they get the more popular they become. 

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Speaking at a rally in Pennsylvania, Trump began by blaming Vice President Harris for unleashing "devastating" inflation – one of the biggest issues of the campaign – but he soon drifted off script, mocking Harris's laugh and calling her a "communist" and a "lunatic." At one point, criticizing a portrait of Harris on the cover of Time magazine, Trump insisted he was "much better looking than her."

Republicans and Trump advisers – concerned by Harris's energized campaign – have publicly urged him to stick to the issues and lay off the personal attacks which they believe play badly with the undecided and independent voters he needs to win the November 5 election. But the former president has shown no sign of changing his populist, confrontational style.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/united-states/article/2024/08/18/trump-hurls-fresh-insults-at-lunatic-harris-as-she-gains-popularity-in-the-polls_6717561_133.html

At least Fox News headline is back to the issue of abortion today interviewing the "Democrats For Life" and keeping with the protests are bad theme.  (The give a lot of coverage to the protests there.)

https://www.foxnews.com/media/abortion-palooza-dnc-could-force-pro-life-democrats-ditch-party-its-just-absolutely-disgusting

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Tweety said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Republicans have lost their soul and they have no moral leader.  Instead of saying "this is our candidate lets go after issues and qualifications", they resort to DEI, "she's the original hawk tuah girl", "she ate a bag of Doritos", "her husband hugged his daughter".  I'm not saying Democrats aren't petty and blow things up, because they do.

 But Republicans under Trump take it to a new level..he uses AI, mockery, insults and thinks he's better looking that her.  But I've also said, the more insulting and outrageous they get the more popular they become. 

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/united-states/article/2024/08/18/trump-hurls-fresh-insults-at-lunatic-harris-as-she-gains-popularity-in-the-polls_6717561_133.html

At least Fox News headline is back to the issue of abortion today interviewing the "Democrats For Life" and keeping with the protests are bad theme.  (The give a lot of coverage to the protests there.)

https://www.foxnews.com/media/abortion-palooza-dnc-could-force-pro-life-democrats-ditch-party-its-just-absolutely-disgusting

I don't think that Harris nor Walz engage with the public in the way their Republican opponents do.  They understand that most people won't trust the judgement of someone who shares made up stuff as if it's real.  I think that Harris and Walz are campaigning on character and contrast, on vision versus vengeance. They know that their opponents will dishonor themselves because Trump will require it of them.

 Harris and Walz are, I think, going to take advantage of the reality that Trump's entire political game is based in grievance and his "American carnage".  Harris and Walz don't talk just to people, they talk with people, so they have a better understanding that the people of America are sick and tired of that dark negativity that is central to Trump's POV.  I think Harris will outline policy with an optimistic POV and a sense of joy and that lots of people are going to respond well to that.  

 

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Tweety said:

To be fair, Trump was at the National Black Journalists association when he said what he said.  So race obviously was an issue there (where he claimed he's the best President since Abraham Lincoln for black people) and he didn't bring it up.  The very competent reporter did.  He later attacked the reporter and was belligerent about her questions.   

 

I can't tell you how to interpret it.  Clearly he thinks she's exploiting her black heritage now when in the past she didn't.  I haven't paid much attention to her but he claims he didn't know she was black?  Actually I thought she was only black and it was only when she was campaigning and I got to know her that I read up on her Indian heritage.  

It's a false narrative as clearly Mrs. Harris has never denied her blackness and widely has been preferred to as a Woman of Color moreso than an Indian woman only.  So again, as usual he's making stuff up.

Her immigrant heritage, both African and Indian has really shaped who she is today.   Yes, democrats are going to acknowledge that if she wins she will be our first female president, second person of color.  It is a big deal.  But it's not like that's their only ace in the hole.   Her not being Trump is.

Maybe also she downplays her heritage because she wants to be known for her accomplishments and not a DEI candidate for "some dems to exploit" and for republicans to criticize.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/31/politics/donald-trump-kamala-harris-black-nabj/index.html

All fair points. I wish we could determine our leaders by their quality, experience and policy. 

Call me out of touch but I believe people should be considered for their character and never by their race or sex. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

I don't think that Harris nor Walz engage with the public in the way their Republican opponents do.  They understand that most people won't trust the judgement of someone who shares made up stuff as if it's real.  I think that Harris and Walz are campaigning on character and contrast, on vision versus vengeance. They know that their opponents will dishonor themselves because Trump will require it of them.

 Harris and Walz are, I think, going to take advantage of the reality that Trump's entire political game is based in grievance and his "American carnage".  Harris and Walz don't talk just to people, they talk with people, so they have a better understanding that the people of America are sick and tired of that dark negativity that is central to Trump's POV.  I think Harris will outline policy with an optimistic POV and a sense of joy and that lots of people are going to respond well to that.  

 

"Made up stuff" like Wlaz active combat lie? 

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Tweety said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Republicans have lost their soul and they have no moral leader.  Instead of saying "this is our candidate lets go after issues and qualifications", they resort to DEI, "she's the original hawk tuah girl", "she ate a bag of Doritos", "her husband hugged his daughter".  I'm not saying Democrats aren't petty and blow things up, because they do.

 But Republicans under Trump take it to a new level..he uses AI, mockery, insults and thinks he's better looking that her.  But I've also said, the more insulting and outrageous they get the more popular they become. 

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/united-states/article/2024/08/18/trump-hurls-fresh-insults-at-lunatic-harris-as-she-gains-popularity-in-the-polls_6717561_133.html

At least Fox News headline is back to the issue of abortion today interviewing the "Democrats For Life" and keeping with the protests are bad theme.  (The give a lot of coverage to the protests there.)

https://www.foxnews.com/media/abortion-palooza-dnc-could-force-pro-life-democrats-ditch-party-its-just-absolutely-disgusting

Yes Trump is crass, rude acts like a child with his personal attacks. However I wouldn't say because  of Trump's bad  behavior Republicans have lost their soul and are completely void of morals. 

Yes. Dems attack too. Like suggesting if you support Trump that makes you a racist misogynist nazi cult victim... This type of voter manipulation is far more insidious than rambling petty insults. I'm sure that's not your opinion but it's mine. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Racists and misogynists always assume that a woman, especially a woman of color, attains positions of power or authority because a man gave it to her in exchange for sexual favors.  It sounds like you fall into the category of people who make those assumptions about women of color and that you don't really understand why that's bad.  You assume that POC can't possibly be a well qualified candidate and must be a lesser choice, as evidenced by your actual words.  

I see you.  

Oh really? What words  have I ever said that would suggest that I think women of color are only sucessfull because of their sexual habits? Or that women of color are DEI hires? That's right. Never. This is your interpretation. And you assume I prefer Trump because of his ethnicity and that makes me racist. 

However you feel the need to mention Harris' and Trump's ethnicity repetitively.  Framing in in a way that suggests one ethnicity makes one better than the other based on their racial identity. 'Woman of color/white man' 

Suggesting that one is good and one is bad because of the color of their skin. 

That's racism. 

I see you. 

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toomuchbaloney said:

Kamala Harris IS a POC, she's using her dialects and language.  You call it patronizing when all she's doing is finding commonality with groups of people.  It's exactly like Trump using the language and code language of racists and authoritarians.  Pandering is what we see when Trump is trying to convince Christians to vote for him.  

She should always find commonality with people,  not just when it benefits her. It should be genuine and consistent.  Not exploited when convenient.  

 

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Tweety said:

That's an interesting take on social justice feminism but it doesn't apply to Harris, which is my point.  It's a false narrative about her.

Don't ask me if a DEI hire is a bad thing, as I'm generally okay with it.  Ask the Republicans who throw it out as an insult why it's a bad thing.  Oh wait it's because a white man, as is our entire history, didn't get it because she's minority and not as qualified as white men who weren't even considered and discriminated against.  

I've never claimed she was a DEI hire and do not believe that she was. And I was using satire about social justice feminist. Again, probably shouldn't do that. 

It's just interesting that dems says DEI is necessary but I if someone suggesting someone is DEI that's a terrible insult? Is it shameful to have benefited from DEI? . How about believing that a minority has no chance on their own merit or skills to be successful and needs programs like DEI? Is that insulting? 

Yes. There is a vast history of discrimatory behavior however in the present and for at least 100 years, discriminating on the basis of ethnicity is illegal in all states. Except affirmative action of course. 

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Tweety said:

To be fair, Trump was at the National Black Journalists association when he said what he said.  So race obviously was an issue there (where he claimed he's the best President since Abraham Lincoln for black people) and he didn't bring it up.  The very competent reporter did.  He later attacked the reporter and was belligerent about her questions.   

 

I can't tell you how to interpret it.  Clearly he thinks she's exploiting her black heritage now when in the past she didn't.  I haven't paid much attention to her but he claims he didn't know she was black?  Actually I thought she was only black and it was only when she was campaigning and I got to know her that I read up on her Indian heritage.  

It's a false narrative as clearly Mrs. Harris has never denied her blackness and widely has been preferred to as a Woman of Color moreso than an Indian woman only.  So again, as usual he's making stuff up.

Her immigrant heritage, both African and Indian has really shaped who she is today.   Yes, democrats are going to acknowledge that if she wins she will be our first female president, second person of color.  It is a big deal.  But it's not like that's their only ace in the hole.   Her not being Trump is.

Maybe also she downplays her heritage because she wants to be known for her accomplishments and not a DEI candidate for "some dems to exploit" and for republicans to criticize.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/31/politics/donald-trump-kamala-harris-black-nabj/index.html

Don't get me wrong. It has been successful in the past to highlight a person's race and subtly and sometimes blatantly suggest voting for the "white man' and not the "woman of color" makes you a racist.  It's a good strategy.  

 

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Crusades said:

Oh really? What words  have I ever said that would suggest that I think women of color are only sucessfull because of their sexual habits? Or that women of color are DEI hires? 

You should simply reread the words of yours that I quoted.  Your words reveal your thinking and values.  

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Crusades said:

She should always find commonality with people,  not just when it benefits her. It should be genuine and consistent.  Not exploited when convenient.  

 

You should suggest that Trump try to find commonality with people in general but you can forget about him being genuine. Harris and Walz are genuine and it's clear that lots of people are drawn to that.  Their opponent is a fraud and is literally mentally ill.  Most people don't have much in common with that.  

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Crusades said:

Don't get me wrong. It has been successful in the past to highlight a person's race and subtly and sometimes blatantly suggest voting for the "white man' and not the "woman of color" makes you a racist.  It's a good strategy.  

I can understand the position of opposing her and people saying "you're just racist".  It puts people in an awkward position of tiptoeing around someone's feelings.

 But when some immediately, including women, went to her sleeping her way to the top and a DEI hire, true colors might be shown.  Just sayin'

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