The French and Dutch do health care right.

ToxicShock · Jul 26, 2009

Thank you for finding and posting this! I'm so sick of hearing that tired excuse of "poor care" and long waits before one can see a doctor as a reason to oppose a universal health care system. Hopefully this article will help clear up these misconceptions.

Crash_Cart · Jul 27, 2009

It seems the media is portraying universal healthcare to = longer waits in line...etc..

Universal Healthcare is "an inconvenience" - because we have to wait a long time in a waiting room for treatment. boo hoo... How unamerican... :)

Well the truth is, I would sooner wait in line for health care than the idea of being one of the 46 million Americans who are not currently insured, or who even get any "oppotunity" to stand in any lines at all for that matter. Many are just flat out denied healthcare services because of private insurance companies refusal to treat them.

In the meantime, here in the US we have our mighty private insurance industry funded healthcare system, 46 million uninsured Americans and 22,000 Americans who die every year because they are either denied treatment by insurance companies or because they cannot afford to get any health care treatment at all.

Now that's a REAL "inconvenience" ...

Where's the line start and please give me a number...

MedSurgeMess · Jul 27, 2009

I'm really tired of the "waiting in line" BS too. I think that whatever system we go to, we'll have to tweak, but in the end, the caregivers, ie-nurses, PT, OT, RT, MDs, and all others, can make it there own. We can deliver great care at a fraction of the cost. I know that about 25-30% of healthcare cost is administrative, d/t private insurance companies.

K98 · Jul 29, 2009

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09207/986169-109.stm

I wouldn't believe anything printed in that left-wing bird-cage liner. I guess you can always pack up and move to France. Thanks to us, they don't speak German there. Yet.

tulip928 · Jul 30, 2009

I'm really tired of the "waiting in line" BS too. I think that whatever system we go to, we'll have to tweak, but in the end, the caregivers, ie-nurses, PT, OT, RT, MDs, and all others, can make it there own. We can deliver great care at a fraction of the cost. I know that about 25-30% of healthcare cost is administrative, d/t private insurance companies.

Wait 'til you see how much the bureaucracy of government running a healthcare system eats up % of cost in administration.

You are in dream land. Nurses, PT, OT, RT, MDs will have NO power. We are healthcare "workers". Government will set your limits of practice and treatments, and you and your patients will have no appeal to decisions. Educate yourself to what's in this "reform". It's called cost cutting and it will be effective. When it is your family member (most likely the very young and the elderly) who doesn't receive treatment, you will wake up.

HM2VikingRN, RN · Aug 9, 2009

please cut the feces website.....

K98 · Aug 9, 2009

please cut the feces website.....

How about a little balance? No bias here, just attacks on Sarah Palin, anyone conservative (dem, or rep.), etc...

HM2VikingRN, RN · Aug 9, 2009

http://healthcarereformmyths.org/HealthcareReformMyths.php

otherwise go to the Commonwealth Fund website. (Its a policy wonks dream...)

talaxandra · Aug 9, 2009

Wait 'til you see how much the bureaucracy of government running a healthcare system eats up % of cost in administration.
You are in dream land. Nurses, PT, OT, RT, MDs will have NO power. We are healthcare "workers". Government will set your limits of practice and treatments, and you and your patients will have no appeal to decisions. Educate yourself to what's in this "reform". It's called cost cutting and it will be effective. When it is your family member (most likely the very young and the elderly) who doesn't receive treatment, you will wake up.

I read stuff like this on every single UHC thread, almost without exception posted by someone ho has never worked outside the US. Where does this come from?

I work in a UHC country where patients get 2nd + 3rd opinions, have input into their treatment, and innovation is encouraged.

There are times I would like to see some health care rationing - like the time we dialyzed a 92 year old man with advanced dementia for a week + a half because his family wanted all treatment given. Public system, public patient.