I traditionally have a thread heading to the election, here we go.
Get out the popcorn for this one.
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to formally announce next week he is running for president in 2024, NBC News reported Thursday, citing two sources familiar with the matter.
The governor's official entry into the Republican primary field will put him head-to-head with former President Donald Trump, the party's current frontrunner for the nomination. Trump has already spent months treating DeSantis as his primary campaign rival, thrashing him with torrents of criticism over his gubernatorial record, his political skills and his personality.
Try to overthrow the election you lied about - no problem
Civil fraud - no problem
Sexual abuse and defamation - no problem
Felony conviction - no problem
Yep. This is an interesting phenomenon that has eaten up republican politics and the American conservative political party. It's now completely consumed by Trumpism and MAGA.
But yet they get upset that Biden uses a teleprompter and reads "pause". But I digress.
Which leads me to why did they have to pick him in the first place? Given all of that garbage, how the heck is the the nominee with a good possibility to be President?
Still, because Biden is left of center I understand why pretty much most conservatives are giving their vote to Trump. They feel Biden is bad for the country. Some of them just are old fashioned republicans and not MAGA people consumed by Trumpism. But those consumed by Trumpism have decided the fate of our country.
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Tweety said:
But yet they get upset that Biden uses a teleprompter and reads "pause". But I digress.
Which leads me to why did they have to pick him in the first place? Given all of that garbage, how the heck is the the nominee with a good possibility to be President?
Still, because Biden is left of center I understand why pretty much most conservatives are giving their vote to Trump. Some of them just are old fashioned republicans and not MAGA people consumed by Trumpism. But those consumed by Trumpism have decided the fate of our country.
Why did they have to pick Trump? I would say that the most likely answer to that is indoctrination. I'm pretty sure that every single media outlet which prefers a conservative point of view has normalized and made excuses for every unacceptable and disqualifying utterance or behavior attributed to Trump since 2015. They've simply been convinced, by repetition, that liberals and the press are the enemy, that Trump is the strong leader who can save the country, and any criticism or prosecution of Trump is unfair political weaponization and cheating.
We'll know in December if MAGA will determine our fate as a nation. I don't think they can do that at the ballot box and neither do they. That's why they are trying to make it easier for them to change vote totals that they don't like at the state level.
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Beerman said:
Yep. Considering the real and perceived seriousness by some on these issues a weighed against having Joe and then likely Kamala in office, or any other Democrat that is on the horizon. it is a easy choice to pick Trump.
Yes. Trump supporters have been convinced that they dislike liberalism and the policies of Biden and Harris so much that law and order, ethics, family values, the health of the nation or the secirity of our republic don't matter as much as electing Trump. That's what you've just said, right?
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Beerman said:
Of course, at other cherry picked times he's taken literally and out of context. Like when he says he'll be a dictator for a day. Or there's going to be a bloodbath.
Using your expertise is psychiatry, what is that behavior symptomatic of?
Oh... back to the cherry picked defense. That works. I mean, Trump doesn't know that he's campaigning and his every word is cataloged, contrasted and analyzed by historians, journalists, social scientists, and everyday common folk... all with varied experiences dealing with people acting out mental health issues. Someone should maybe tell him that he should be careful what he jokes about.
You call it cherry picking where others see patterns of speech and thinking. Lots of Trump voters are so busy looking for criminal or corrupt or cognitively challenged behavior from Biden that they outright ignore obvious behavior from Trump. There's only so much time and so very many rabbit holes to explore. "Look over here" as one of our members reminds us periodically.
I already tried to get you to read the work of a psychiatrist with a specialty in some of this, but you weren't interested. I can't imagine that you are genuinely interested in my opinion now.
I guess we'll find out, because if you are actually interested you might take a guess at which repetitive Trump behaviors or types of speech patterns or other observable things one could identify which could possibly be symptomatic of mental health issues and look up which disorders might be associated. We are nurses, we have skills and resources in this area.
Then you can bring what you've read to the thread and we can talk about it.
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At the very pinnacle of the
modern progressive program to make government competent stands the ideal
of professionalized, career civil service. Since the turn of the 20th century, progressives have sought a system that could effectively select, train, reward,
and guard from partisan influence the neutral scientific experts they believe are
required to staff the national government and run the administrative state. Their
U.S. system was initiated by the Pendleton Act of 1883 and institutionalized by
the 1930s New Deal to set principles and practices that were meant to ensure that
expert merit rather than partisan favors or personal favoritism ruled within the
federal bureaucracy. Yet, as public frustration with the civil service has grown,
generating calls to "drain the swamp,” it has become clear that their project has
had serious unintended consequences.
The civil service was devised to replace the amateurism and presumed corruption of the old spoils system, wherein government jobs rewarded loyal partisans
who might or might not have professional backgrounds. Although the system
appeared to be sufficient for the nation's first century, progressive intellectuals
and activists demanded a more professionalized, scientific, and politically neutral
Administration. Progressives designed a merit system to promote expertise and
shield bureaucrats from partisan political pressure, but it soon began to insulate civil servants from accountability. The modern merit system increasingly made it
almost impossible to fire all but the most incompetent civil servants. Complying
with arcane rules regarding recruiting, rating, hiring, and firing simply replaced
the goal of cultivating competence and expertise.
Republicans want a partisan government that functions as a dictator might prefer a government to function.
Yes. Trump supporters have been convinced that they dislike liberalism and the policies of Biden and Harris so much that law and order, ethics, family values, the health of the nation or the secirity of our republic don't matter as much as electing Trump. That's what you've just said, right?
Actually, those things do matter very much. And that's why I dislike liberalism.
Yes. Trump supporters have been convinced that they dislike liberalism and the policies of Biden and Harris so much that law and order, ethics, family values, the health of the nation or the secirity of our republic don't matter as much as electing Trump. That's what you've just said, right?
It's all so depressing. It's Hitler again without the ovens but the same set of thugs. He only wants the boot lickers and incompetent around him.
Actually, those things do matter very much. And that's why I dislike liberalism.
The definition of liberalism is the ability to reason and judge new ideas by the parameters of reason. How awful. What is your opinion of moderates on either side?
We know that Republican moderates will leave or suffer Trump's revenge. He spends a lot of time on revenge ..he likes the sound of the word and it makes him feel powerful. Moderate Democrats compromise the majority of their party but they are silent. Frankly, the Squad is an embarrassment to them. But they ARE the moral but silent majority who don't think good use of their time is spent plotting on revenge. Trump is starting to resemble a rabid dog and he will lose because he's exhausting for everyone. Let's get rid of him, we'll be rid of Biden in 4 years and both parties will have clean slates.
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Beerman said:
Actually, those things do matter very much. And that's why I dislike liberalism.
Law and order matters to the GOP except when it collides with Trump apparently. Then it all seems to be corrupt and biased and politically weaponized and rigged against him, according to a large percentage of Republicans. Your candidate is a felon.
Trump represents the family values of the GOP. A thrice divorced, serial adulterer who famously talked about grabbing women without consent.
The health of the nation was jeopardized by Trump's divisive incompetence during a pandemic. The health of our economy was harmed by Trump's intentional dishonesty and misinformation about the global health crisis.
Republicans apparently value the security of the nation so much that they will re-elect the guy who would break up NATO and suspend parts of the constitution which might limit his power.
Trump seems to represent everything which contradicts what you say is important to Republicans. Can you explain that?
The definition of liberalism is the ability to reason and judge new ideas by the parameters of reason. How awful. What is your opinion of moderates on either side?
We know that Republican moderates will leave or suffer Trump's revenge. He spends a lot of time on revenge ..he likes the sound of the word and it makes him feel powerful. Moderate Democrats compromise the majority of their party but they are silent. Frankly, the Squad is an embarrassment to them. But they ARE the moral but silent majority who don't think good use of their time is spent plotting on revenge. Trump is starting to resemble a rabid dog and he will lose because he's exhausting for everyone. Let's get rid of him, we'll be rid of Biden in 4 years and both parties will have clean slates.
We could go back and forth trading warm fluffy definitions on liberalism and conservatism, couldn't we?
I'm good with moderates on both sides. I'm actually good with anyone as long as they're respectful. Unfortunately, as we've seen, there are some on the left who spend most of their time disbaraging and discrediting those with differing opinions.
I consider myself a moderate conservative. Most people I deal with in my life are more moderate either left or right. Sometimes when frustrated or fearful for our nation when I'm here, I remind myself I'm often dealing with a vocal extremist or two on the left who aren't representative of most of the nation.
What is this revenge you speak of? Do you have examples of who he has exacted revenge upon?
Why are you complacent and letting Biden be your candidate? I just said in another post that if Trump is as dangerous as you think, why arent you making noise to have Biden replaced by a better candidate? I actually do think this will happen. Almost anyone else woukd have a much better chance beating Trump. But if not and Trump wins, the Trump alarmists will be to blame for not acting.
If the Squad is an embarrassment to the silent moral majority, they should be held accountable to stand up to them.
Law and order matters to the GOP except when it collides with Trump apparently. Then it all seems to be corrupt and biased and politically weaponized and rigged against him, according to a large percentage of Republicans. Your candidate is a felon.
Trump represents the family values of the GOP. A thrice divorced, serial adulterer who famously talked about grabbing women without consent.
The health of the nation was jeopardized by Trump's divisive incompetence during a pandemic. The health of our economy was harmed by Trump's intentional dishonesty and misinformation about the global health crisis.
Republicans apparently value the security of the nation so much that they will re-elect the guy who would break up NATO and suspend parts of the constitution which might limit his power.
Trump seems to represent everything which contradicts what you say is important to Republicans. Can you explain that?
Most of this I'm not interested in going back and forth on.....again. If you want assurance Trump won't win, banging away at me is a waste of time. All that you keep repeating above about Republicans and Trump voters doesn't change the fact that most think Biden is a bad president now, and certainly not up to another four years, pause. You should focus your energy on getting rid of him and replacing him with a better candidate .
But, keep firing away at me if it makes you happy. You're not going to get much in return.
I will say there is some new evidence for the "Trump mismanaged pandemic " crowd to chomp on. It's seeming more and more like he should have fired Fauci.
Speaking of the pandemic, did you see Chris Cuomo is taking ivermectin for his "long covid "?
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Beerman said:
Most of this I'm not interested in going back and forth on.....again. If you want assurance Trump won't win, banging away at me is a waste of time. All that you keep repeating above about Republicans and Trump voters doesn't change the fact that most think Biden is a bad president now, and certainly not up to another four years, pause. You should focus your energy on getting rid of him and replacing him with a better candidate .
But, keep firing away at me if it makes you happy. You're not going to get much in return.
I will say there is some new evidence for the "Trump mismanaged pandemic " crowd to chomp on. It's seeming more and more like he should have fired Fauci.
Speaking of the pandemic, did you see Chris Cuomo is taking ivermectin for his "long covid "?
Crazy world, huh?
This is a funny place for you to post your thoughts if you don't want me or others to respond or ask you questions. I don't consider interacting in a forum like this "banging away" but then I don't belong to the party of victimhood.
It's so telling that when confronted with the reality that the leader of the party of family values and law and order is a rapist, that the response from his fans is to get rid of Biden. Isn't that funny? Trump is corrupt so the answer is to replace Trump's opponent. I won't ask you to explain that answer. I don't thin no its possible to make it make sense.
That was a nice pivot to someone not running for office in 2024 and the ongoing baloney that gets spread about covid. Maybe you could explain the significance of mentioning yet another American inspired to take a medication which doesn't improve long covid outcomes. Oh well. Trump helped inspire a cottage industry of covid conmen, grifters and charlatans, there's money to be made by confused, scared and sick people in the USA. Tens of thousands are struggling with long covid and looking for answers.
Let's explore the crazy idea that Fauci needed to be fired because he wouldn't just rubber stamp Trump's covid craziness. That kind of cultish thinking is always a bit surprising to see come from a nurse. It's weird that some nurses have been convinced that Fauci lied or something and should have been fired but they simultaneously ignore that Trump was the biggest source of covid misinformation in 2020 and they want to re-elect him. The contradictions can't be easy to reconcile. If I ask you to try to explain your thinking is that the same as "banging away at you" or is it "firing at you"?
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But yet they get upset that Biden uses a teleprompter and reads "pause". But I digress.
Which leads me to why did they have to pick him in the first place? Given all of that garbage, how the heck is the the nominee with a good possibility to be President?
Still, because Biden is left of center I understand why pretty much most conservatives are giving their vote to Trump. They feel Biden is bad for the country. Some of them just are old fashioned republicans and not MAGA people consumed by Trumpism. But those consumed by Trumpism have decided the fate of our country.