Specializes in orthopedic/trauma, Informatics, diabetes.
Racism is so entrenched in our society and my personal opinion is that the current atmosphere has emboldened some.
I have listened to some podcasts about Civil Rights events and the 1619 project. It is heartbreaking.
My SIL has a black BIL and biracial nieces/nephews. It is horrible the way they have to live-being afraid constantly because of the color of their skin. I know this goes on but as I am not racist, it is very difficulty for me to understand the mindset of those that think they are superior to people simply because of the color of their skin.
I work for an amazingly diverse organization and there is not, to my knowledge, racism within the organization. Being in the South, the patients can be horrible, but are not tolerated.
As for the "gotcha-ism" in nursing. I think that is just part of the job. Someone is always going to think that they are the "victim" of something. We have a "Just Culture" policy that errors are never one person's fault and the gotcha-ism is not tolerated very well. We try very hard to educate, coach, mentor, counsel to correct behaviors.
Specializes in FLOOR,OR, OB 5yrs ER 18 yrs DOC 4Yrs.
As an ER nurse in a small town of 30K people, we depend on our local law enforcement in a lot of cases and I will tell them if the cuffs are too tight or whatever is wrong, they understand that we all work together! But now everybody knows everybody here!
Anyways I digress, police killings are nothing new to any race but so far I have not heard any good arguments from protesters calling for change. At least nothing that is within the realm of feasibility. Powerpoints and diversity ad nauseum for nurses or police isn't going to do much.
8 can't wait calls for all police departments to implement 8 proven ways to reduce police brutality. Research based policy. I wonder where you get your news from if you haven't heard of this yet? I recommend reuters and the AP as the least biased news outlets. Links below
Criminals love to file frivolous complaints. Whether or not his 19 were frivolous I do not know. I once had an inmate file a frivolous complaint (fabricated) because he was mad I confiscated contraband from his cell. Criminals don’t think like the rest of us. They lie for sport.
What I saw in the video goes against the training I received as well. Mind boggling.
years ago when I was an MP were were trained that the neck is off limits. I know that every city and state have their own training methods, however.
Did anyone ever ask if putting a knee to the neck is a normal procedure within his unit? Is there any proof that racism was involved (ie. racist statements). Were the police called for a crime or did they just see him there and decide to kill him?
People who were not present for the whole event should restrain their opinions until the facts come out. And there is no excuse for rioting.
I wonder what the death toll from rioting is anyway? How many whites have been killed by blacks in this country during the last year? Why does that never make the news?
All of this behavior is disgusting. People need to start respecting each other as human beings. No race is better than any other and all lives matter.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 hour ago, juniper222 said:
years ago when I was an MP were were trained that the neck is off limits. I know that every city and state have their own training methods, however.
Did anyone ever ask if putting a knee to the neck is a normal procedure within his unit? Is there any proof that racism was involved (ie. racist statements). Were the police called for a crime or did they just see him there and decide to kill him?
People who were not present for the whole event should restrain their opinions until the facts come out. And there is no excuse for rioting.
I wonder what the death toll from rioting is anyway? How many whites have been killed by blacks in this country during the last year? Why does that never make the news?
All of this behavior is disgusting. People need to start respecting each other as human beings. No race is better than any other and all lives matter.
Since the racism is deeply entrenched in everyday American life, the notion that everyone should just start respecting everyone is welcome...let's start with the white supremacists. Oh and white people not minimizing the black experience with racism and police brutality would be a welcome change too.
Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
Remember this? We discussed this here in 2017.
Alex Wubbels, a nurse at University Hospital in Salt Lake City, was arrested after explaining to police that she couldn't draw a blood sample from an unconscious person. A Salt Lake City police detective asked for a blood sample. After explaining to the detective that the police needed a warrant, consent from the unconscious patient or that the patient needed to be under arrest before the blood sample could be drawn, she was arrested.
The Salt Lake City Police Department has endured a growing wave of public criticism after body camera footage was released showing one of its officers arrest a nurse when she refused to allow officers to draw a patient's blood...
... The victim, an Idaho reserve police officer who works as a truck driver, had been brought in after being in a fiery car crash near Salt Lake City. Payne's written report said he wanted to take a blood sample to show the victim did nothing wrong. Wubbels explained to Payne that it was against hospital policy and the law to take blood as evidence from an unconscious patient without a warrant or an arrest. She put her supervisor on speakerphone. "You're making a huge mistake because you're threatening a nurse," the supervisor said.
That's when things escalated. "No, we're done," Payne said. "We're done. You're under arrest." Wubbels was detained for about 20 minutes before being released. "I was alarmed by what I saw in the video," Salt Lake City Police Chief Mike Brown said...
Alex Wubbels, a nurse at University Hospital in Salt Lake City, was arrested after explaining to police that she couldn't draw a blood sample from an unconscious person. A Salt Lake City police detective asked for a blood sample. After explaining to the detective that the police needed a warrant, consent from the unconscious patient or that the patient needed to be under arrest before the blood sample could be drawn, she was arrested.
Nursing management did the right thing. There was a video. What would that officer do in other circumstances? I don't know, but fear too many act this way.
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The nurse who was roughly arrested at a Salt Lake City hospital has settled with the city and the university that owns the hospital for $500,000.
I was just thinking of this very thing very recently — the “Blue Wall of Silince”, and the “Nursing Wall of Silence” alive and well in LTC. It at least partly stems from: being tasked with the insurmountable but fully expected to get it done, lack of education/ quality guidance/ development, and a great deal of autonomy.
Specializes in Cardiology, Research, Family Practice.
1 hour ago, Queen Tiye said:
I was just thinking of this very thing very recently — the “Blue Wall of Silince”, and the “Nursing Wall of Silence” alive and well in LTC. It at least partly stems from: being tasked with the insurmountable but fully expected to get it done, lack of education/ quality guidance/ development, and a great deal of autonomy.
Well said.
That said, nurses, aka imperfect human beings who make mistakes like the rest of the world, are taught the ethical principles of nursing. Beneficence, Non-maleficence, Autonomy, Justice, Veracity, Fidelity, and Integrity.
Admittedly, we are none of us perfect role models, but I do believe that the time spent learning these principles is valuable. And perhaps we need refreshers on this stuff with greater frequency, specifically with case studies that provide meaningful opportunities for learning rather than just rote regurgitation of warm of fuzzy words.
I wonder if similar ethics training exists in law enforcement?
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Racism is so entrenched in our society and my personal opinion is that the current atmosphere has emboldened some.
I have listened to some podcasts about Civil Rights events and the 1619 project. It is heartbreaking.
My SIL has a black BIL and biracial nieces/nephews. It is horrible the way they have to live-being afraid constantly because of the color of their skin. I know this goes on but as I am not racist, it is very difficulty for me to understand the mindset of those that think they are superior to people simply because of the color of their skin.
I work for an amazingly diverse organization and there is not, to my knowledge, racism within the organization. Being in the South, the patients can be horrible, but are not tolerated.
As for the "gotcha-ism" in nursing. I think that is just part of the job. Someone is always going to think that they are the "victim" of something. We have a "Just Culture" policy that errors are never one person's fault and the gotcha-ism is not tolerated very well. We try very hard to educate, coach, mentor, counsel to correct behaviors.