The Controversy: Mandatory Flu Vaccines

Many hospitals are moving towards creating mandatory influenza vaccination policies as a condition of employment. Such mandates are causing surefire responses on both sides of the fence. What is the push behind the movement, and what is causing the pushback?

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First, let me just go over some of the symptoms of the flu, and then we will get down to business on the controversy surrounding the push to create mandatory flu vaccines for healthcare workers:

  • Sudden onset fever
  • Headache
  • Chills
  • Myalgia
  • Dry cough
  • Sore throat
  • Stuffy nose
  • Loss of appetite
  • Limb or joint pain
  • Difficulty sleeping
  • Diarrhea or upset stomach

I can't think of anyone who wants any of these symptoms, or to come down with the flu, can you?

Influenza vaccination research has clearly documented the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine (Google it - you will find a plethora of information...however, I will list some links at the end of this article for your information). However, even though there is sufficient evidence to prove the benefits of receiving the flu vaccine, vaccination rates among healthcare workers are pitifully low. In 2013, only 55% of nurses in the frontlines were vaccinated.

Organizations such as The Joint Commission, the American Nurses Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Academy of Pediatrics, American College of Physicians, Infectious Diseases Society of America, the Association for Professionals in Infection Control and Epidemiology, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, the Centers for Disease Control, Healthy People 2020, etc., etc., have stated their position on recommending the flu vaccine for healthcare workers in order to decrease the risk of exposure and reduce deaths. Due to this recommendation, many healthcare facilities are now creating mandatory flu vaccine policies as a condition of employment.

Employers who create mandatory policies will have exemptions, of course. Exemptions are made for medical and religious exceptions. For places that do not have a mandatory flu vaccine, they may "strongly recommend" the vaccination and may have a declination form for employees to submit if they refuse the vaccine. Additionally, some employers will enforce refusers to wear a mask during flu season while they are at work in order to protect the patients and the employee.

What is the purpose behind the push toward flu vaccines?

Evidence has shown that there are more than 36,000 deaths in the US each year related to influenza, and more than 200,000 hospitalizations. Influenza is the 6th leading cause of death. Healthcare workers are the leading cause of influenza outbreaks in the healthcare system. up to 50% of people who are infected by the flu virus do not fill ill for several days and can spread the virus to people at risk of complications and death from the flu. Additionally, evidence shows vaccination decreases mortality by 40%, decreases the spread of nosocomial infections by 43%, and decreases absenteeism by 20-30%.

Additionally, there is the ethics to consider. As healthcare workers, we have all taken an oath to "do no harm". As a nurse caring for patients who are not in their most physically healthy state, do we take the vaccination in order to prevent spreading the flu to our vulnerable patients, in order to "do no harm"? We must consider this when we make our decision to take or refuse the vaccination.

What hospitals have created a mandatory flu vaccine policy?

I have the names of a few hospitals, and this is by no means a comprehensive list. This is based on a ListServe survey of hospitals and these are the responses received:

  • Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (Philadelphia, PA) - since 2009
  • Children's Mercy Hospitals and Clinics (Kansas City, MO)
  • Children's Colorado (Aurora, CO)
  • Children's Hospital of the King's Daughters (Norfolk, VA)
  • Children's Medical Center Dallas (Dallas, TX) - since 2012
  • Riley Children's (Indianapolis, IN) - since 2012
  • East Tennessee Children's (Knoxville, TX) - since 2013
  • Boston Children's (Boston, MA)
  • Sharp Mary Birch Hospital for Women and Newborns (San Diego, CA) - since 2013
  • Roger Williams Medical Center (Providence, RI)
  • Brookwood Medical Center (Birmingham, AL)
  • Johns Hopkins (all hospitals/clinics) (Baltimore, MD)
  • Driscoll Children's Hospital (Corpus Christi, TX)
  • Spohn Health System (Corpus Christi / San Antonio, TX)
  • All Connecticut Hospitals

What are some reasons that people refuse the flu vaccine?

Refusal may be largely due to misconceptions related to the vaccine. Fears that the immune system will cause them to get the flu, beliefs that hygiene and better nutrition are more helpful than the vaccine, fear of needles, beliefs that the vaccine does not work, and fear of side effects. Others believe that they have a constitutional right to refuse the vaccine and that mandatory policies are violating these rights.

Common concerns and myths about the flu vaccination

(taken from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health outline of flu vaccine talking points for managers)

The flu shot will give me the flu

The flu shot does not give people the flu. It uses inactivated ("dead") virus. People may still catch a cold or other virus that the vaccine is not designed match.

I don't believe the flu vaccine actually works

Studies have shown that flu vaccination prevents flu in 70% to 90% of healthy adults younger than 65 years old.

I had the vaccination last year

You need a new vaccine every year - the virus changes over time.

What about possible adverse reactions

Serious adverse reactions are very rare. They are explained on the CDC's Vaccine Information Statement, which is distributed when the vaccine is administered.

Local short-term reactions - such soreness at the vaccination site, slight fever, achy feeling - may occur but usually do not last long. Over the counter medicines are helpful. Even short-term reactions are much less bothersome than catching the flu and feeling very sick for days.

I'm not in a high-risk group

Your patients are at-risk, and possibly some friends and family members. You can be infected with the flu virus but not feel ill - and can still transmit flu to at-risk patients.

The flu vaccine made every year does not match the circulating flu strain

Inactivated influenza vaccine is effective in preventing transmission and reducing complications of the flu. In years when there is a close match between the vaccine and circulating virus strains, the vaccine prevents illness among approximately 70%--90% of healthy adults under 65 years of age. Vaccinating healthy adults also has been proven to lead to decreased work absenteeism and use of health-care resources, including use of antibiotics. Strong protection is also expected when the vaccine is not a close match with circulating strains, with 50%--77% effectiveness in these instances. In addition, effectiveness against influenza-related hospitalization for healthy adults from inactivated vaccine is estimated at 90%.

Knowledge is Power

All healthcare facilities will be facing the choice of creating a mandatory influenza vaccination in the near future, if they have not already. In order to make an informed decision on the topic, we must have information. Knowledge is power. Before you make a blanket statement on pros or cons, have the information you need, know the research, and make an educated decision.

Please respond to this article by answering the following questions:

  1. Do you take the flu vaccine yearly? If you do not, what is the reason you do not participate (if you don't mind answering this question)?
  2. Does your employer have a mandatory influenza vaccination policy as a condition of employment? If yes, where do you work?
  3. What concerns do you have about the flu vaccine?
  4. Do you know if anyone who has been released from their job because they did not get the flu vaccine?

References

American Association of Family Practitioners. (2011). AAFP supports mandatory flu vaccinations for healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: AAFP Supports Mandatory Flu Vaccinations for Health Care Personnel

ATrain. (2014). To accept or refuse the flu vaccine. Retrieved from: ZZZ_133_Influenza: Module 7

CDC. (2014). Vaccination: Who should do it, who should not and who should take precautions. Retrieved from: Vaccination: Who Should Do It, Who Should Not and Who Should Take Precautions | Seasonal Influenza (Flu) | CDC

Influenza Action Coalition. (2015). Influenza vaccination honor roll. Retrieved from: Honor Roll: Mandatory Influenza Vaccination Policies for Healthcare Personnel

Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. (2014). Talking points for managers. Retrieved from: http://tinyurl.com/p6nbg2u

National adult and influenza immunization summit. (2015). Vaccinating healthcare personnel. Retrieved from: Vaccinating Healthcare Personnel - National Adult and Influenza Immunization Summit

NursingTimes. (2014). Why do health workers decline flu vaccination? Retrieved from: http://www.nursingtimes.net/Journals/2014/11/28/y/k/x/031214-Why-do-health-workers-decline-flu-vaccination.pdf

TJC. (2012). R3 Report: Requirement, rationale, reference. Retrieved from: http://www.jointcommission.org/assets/1/18/R3_Report_Issue_3_5_18_12_final.pdf

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Specializes in ER.

BigPharma, statistically, makes no significant profit from vaccinations.

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Puh leeze. If there was no profit they wouldn't be doing it. We'd be looking to the Red Cross, or WHO for vaccines.

Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
Puh leeze. If there was no profit they wouldn't be doing it. We'd be looking to the Red Cross, or WHO for vaccines.

As of 2013, vaccines accounted for $24 billion in revenue, 1.83% of the $1.32 trillion pharmaceutical market. Essentially, vaccine revenue is less than a rounding error.

Take that $24 billion and subtract out the cost of raw materials and production ($7.7 million), overhead ($1.7 million), sales and marketing ($2.2 million), R&D ($2.7 million), taxes ($4.2 million), and depreciation ($1.1 million) and it leaves a true profit number of $2.5 million worldwide.

As I said, there is no statistically significant revenue generated by pharmaceutical companies compared to the total market.

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

Funny coincidence. A relative discussed a recent death of her uncle from melanoma. He was a believer in natural cures and saw an A.K. Chiropractor (Applied Kinesiology) who didn't refer her uncle to a medical doctor and instead tried all kinds of natural cures. There are chiropractors out there who believe everything emanates from the spine. Every disease known to mankind. (Not lumping all chiropractors in this).

The kind of melanoma this man had has a high rate of survival if treated early. His was not and by the time he saw a real doctor, it was too late and he died.

That's truly tragic.

I live in an Amish-intensive area. They love chiros, reflexologists, kinesiologists, etc. Some of them take their infants to the chiros who claim to be able to cure everything and prevent childhood diseases like measles, chicken pox, etc. Unfortunately, those "adjustments" didn't prevent their little ones from getting diseases like whooping cough.

Dear OCNRN63,

On p. 29 of this discussion, I listed many holistic cancer treatments, as a reply to Macawake's question, and which methods you seem to have poo poo'd, by saying this (also on p.29):

"....If only I had known that all I needed for my cancer was an eye of newt, wing of bat, tongue of snake. Oh, and a little valerian root. Boil them in a tea, forever cancer free...."

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But, you should admit, that in all the holistic anti-cancer suggestions (see repeated below), I never mentioned killing a newt to use its eye, nor killing a bat to use its wing, nor killing a snake to use its tongue! I never mentioned using a little valerian root either.

However, I agree with you, and you are correct that "Caveat emptor" (Let the buyer beware), because there are unfortunately, some fakes/quacks both in holistic AND allopathic medical practices.

I am sorry that anyone ever has to fight cancer, period, and this includes:

relatives of mine, who went to the grave following doctors' orders, rather than trying holistic methods, when allopathic methods weren't working enough in their specific cases,

and even my own husband, who is fighting (lower grade, thankfully) prostate cancer, using holistic methods learned from prostate cancer SURVIVORS from the "Cancer Control Society", and suggestions made by a book called:

"A Holistic Approach to Prostate Treatment", written by Aaron E. Katz, M.D., Director-Center of Holistic Urology, Columbia University Medical Center (NYC).

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https://allnurses.com/general-nursing-discussion/the-controversy-mandatory-1005984-page29.html

On p. 29 of this discussion (see link above), I replied to Macawake's previous question, that Macawake posed:

"Concerned lady, could you please describe the mechanism of action of holistic methods on cancer cells and how they manage to cure cancer and link some relevant research."

I've added a few things below, for more accuracy:

1) FIRST, "DO NO HARM!" This means, remove carcinogens (cancer causing substances) as much as humanly possible, from the air, water, foods, medications, etc.

To do this, one must at least, READ LABELS, and if there's anything in household products, skin care products, foods, beverages, etc., that is unpronounceable, or unfamiliar--PUT IT BACK, AND DON'T BUY IT!

2) Find out what may be depressing one's immune system, and stop contributing to depressing the immune system. Example: If gluten sensitive (either Celiac Disease, &/or non-Celiac forms of gluten sensitivity), AVOID EATING & AVOID CONTACTING GLUTEN.

An interesting and informative (not dangerous) read is "Before the Villi Are Gone", by Dallas, TX gastroenterologist, Dr. Kenneth Fine, M.D. See Welcome to EnteroLab - EnteroLab.com (or, one can avoid gluten for 3 months, and see if it helps).

If "sensitive" to milk proteins (casein, whey, etc.), avoid ingesting (eating or drinking) anything containing milk proteins.

Try "holistic" supplements (OK'd by one's physician, preferably), if "regular" drugs are depressing one's immune system, making cancer more likely to happen.

3) Talk to some of the generous Cancer Control Society cancer SURVIVORS, and they will gladly share what helped them to conquer their cancers.

Here are some of their ideas (Call recovered cancer patients, for more specific "anecdotal" info):

a) Eat ORGANIC produce and organic anything, when possible, to avoid ingesting (eating or drinking) "carcinogenic" (cancer-causing) pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, rodenticides, etc.

b) Avoid SPRAYING POISONOUS (carcinogenic) HERBICIDES, on so-called "noxious weeds". Pull the weeds, instead. Or, let the non-violent prisoners in orange do some community service, by pulling the weeds.

c) Try edible medicinal mushrooms, (in capsule form, for example) such as Reishi, Shitaki, and Maitaki.

d) Red clover blossoms as tea (fresh or dried--species is Trifolium praetense), are anti-cancer, but avoid if one is on anti-coagulants, because red clover blossoms are slightly anti-coagulant in nature.

e) Carrots (if not allergic) are very anti-cancer, due to the beta carotene in them. Even when heated (cooked), the beta carotene is not destroyed, and is anti-cancer.

Many green veggies (including organic DANDELION LEAVES), have much beta carotene (orange in color), in them, but it's "masked" (hidden) by chlorophyll. ADDITION: If prone to internal blood clotting, avoid overdoing on brussels sprouts, which have a very large amount of Vitamin K1 (promotes blood clotting)

f) The cruciferous (MUSTARD/CABBAGE) family of veggies is anti-cancer. Examples include red cabbage (eat raw, or make cole slaw, etc.), broccali, radishes, kale, etc. One can make or buy Kim Chee. (If one is quite hypothyroid, don't over-do on this family of plants, which can, if overdone, promote more hypothyroidism).

g) Some cancers are diminished by eating the inner (softer) seed of (hard) apricot pits, known as apricot kernels. These apricot kernels contain the precursor of "laetrile", and the precursor is called amygdalin. Don't over-do, because the cyanide in these members of the rose family, if over-done, is poisonous to the whole body, not just attacking the cancer cells.

Almonds have a small amount of amygdalin in them (the pre-cursor of laetrile), so EAT ALMONDS, if not allergic to them.

h) Look up Cancer Control Society on the internet, and read their patient sheets, etc.

You may be pleasantly surprised, when speaking with these iconoclastic (image-breaking) cancer survivors.

i) If one waits until one knows exactly how something works, (and this is true of "allopathic" as well as "holistic" medicine), one might die, while waiting for the "evidence" to be "shown". How many times has one's doctor said something like this (trial & error, also known as empirical evidence):

"Let's try this drug, and see if it helps you. If it doesn't, we'll try something else". ?

j) Avoid ionizing radiation (includes xrays and mammograms, for example). Some feel that taking repeated mammograms can actually bring on breast cancer, by subjecting the delicate breast tissue to repeated assault by "ionizing radiation".

k) Read the book "Dressed to Kill" showing dangers of wearing bras too long (and too tightly), causing a situation similar to that of men wearing tight bike shorts--in both cases, the carcinogens hang around too long and are not easily swept out by lymph--so men get more testicular cancers from wearing those tight bike shorts, and women seem to get more breast cancer partly from wearing tight bras, too long in a day (and night in some cases).

l) If one can't quit smoking (due to nicotine addiction), at least use organic tobacco, which hasn't been contaminated by radioactive particles from phosphate fertilizer. See work done by scientist (the late but great Dr. Ed Martell) who showed this connection between phosphate fertilizers having radioactive particles being taken up into tobacco leaves, causing "low level radiation", causing mutations, resulting in lung cancers!

4) Don't be afraid to question authority--keep asking questions!

Sincerely, Concerned Lady

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
No I am not a nurse, but, I've been learning a bit about natural health in the last few years. And coffee enemas look like they have pros and cons, so it would be good to be correctly informed of anything prior to doing it. I wouldn't look to conventionals to be unbiased any more than anyone else, and why it's good to find things out for one's self these days.

Do some research on why a coffee enema would be bad for someone with low platelets, anemia, and low white count before you accuse me of being biased.

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

@concerned lady:

I'm not 100% sure if your missive was directed at me. If it was, I wanted you to know that in future communications you need not give me the definition of words you think may tax my intellect. I have an excellent vocabulary in more than one language.

Dear OCNRN63,

Please define "missive" for me.

My comment about your "eye of newt" comment was responding to your seeming to denigrate (poo poo) various holistic types of cancer treatments, described in my response to Macawake.

My definitions of words that I used, were for anyone else reading this "thread", who might not know the definitions of all the words being used. It was not meant for you, since I respect the fact that you are learned, and have an excellent vocabulary! Sorry you took that personally! :-0

Someday, I hope you might let me be a member of your Crusty Old Bat Society, but if not, it's OK.

Sincerely, Concerned Lady

Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.

Steve McQueen passed away on November 7, 1980, at age 50 after the cancer surgery which was said to be successful.

The operation was a success, but unfortunately the patient died.

Thanks for the bio of Steve McQueen's death. As soon as I saw the word laetrile I remembered that era. Amazing that coffee enemas and apricot pits are still in style.:sarcastic:

Dear Spidey's Mom,

I too feel bad for Steve McQueen's untimely death, and I understand why you don't like the idea of coffee enemas and apricot kernels (not the hard apricot pits), but:

What do you have, against cancer patients trying any 1 or more of the following, if they wish to?

1) FIRST, "DO NO HARM!" This means, remove carcinogens (cancer causing substances) as much as humanly possible, from the air, water, foods, medications, etc.To do this, one must at least, READ LABELS, and if there's anything in household products, skin care products, foods, beverages, etc., that is unpronounceable, or unfamiliar--PUT IT BACK, AND DON'T BUY IT!

2) Find out what may be depressing one's immune system, and stop contributing to depressing the immune system. Example: If gluten sensitive (either Celiac Disease, &/or non-Celiac forms of gluten sensitivity), AVOID EATING & AVOID CONTACTING GLUTEN.

An interesting and informative (not dangerous) read is "Before the Villi Are Gone", by Dallas, TX gastroenterologist, Dr. Kenneth Fine, M.D. See Welcome to EnteroLab - EnteroLab.com (or, one can avoid gluten for 3 months, and see if it helps).

If "sensitive" to milk proteins (casein, whey, etc.), avoid ingesting (eating or drinking) anything containing milk proteins.

Try "holistic" supplements (OK'd by one's physician, preferably), if "regular" drugs are depressing one's immune system, making cancer more likely to happen.

3) Talk to some of the generous Cancer Control Society cancer SURVIVORS, and they will gladly share what helped them to conquer their cancers.

Here are some of their ideas (Call recovered cancer patients, for more specific "anecdotal" info):

a) Eat ORGANIC produce and organic anything, when possible, to avoid ingesting (eating or drinking) "carcinogenic" (cancer-causing) pesticides, herbicides, fungicides, rodenticides, etc.

b) Avoid SPRAYING POISONOUS (carcinogenic) HERBICIDES, on so-called "noxious weeds". Pull the weeds, instead. Or, let the non-violent prisoners in orange do some community service, by pulling the weeds.

c) Try edible medicinal mushrooms, (in capsule form, for example) such as Reishi, Shitaki, and Maitaki.

d) Red clover blossoms as tea (fresh or dried--species is Trifolium praetense), are anti-cancer, but avoid if one is on anti-coagulants, because red clover blossoms are slightly anti-coagulant in nature.

e) Carrots (if not allergic) are very anti-cancer, due to the beta carotene in them. Even when heated (cooked), the beta carotene is not destroyed, and is anti-cancer.

Many green veggies (including organic DANDELION LEAVES), have much beta carotene (orange in color), in them, but it's "masked" (hidden) by chlorophyll.ADDITION: If prone to internal blood clotting, avoid overdoing on brussels sprouts, which have a very large amount of Vitamin K1 (promotes blood clotting)

f) The cruciferous (MUSTARD/CABBAGE) family of veggies is anti-cancer. Examples include red cabbage (eat raw, or make cole slaw, etc.), broccali, radishes, kale, etc. One can make or buy Kim Chee. (If one is quite hypothyroid, don't over-do on this family of plants, which can, if overdone, promote more hypothyroidism).

g) Some cancers are diminished by eating the inner (softer) seed of (hard) apricot pits, known as apricot kernels. These apricot kernels contain the precursor of "laetrile", and the precursor is called amygdalin. Don't over-do, because the cyanide in these members of the rose family, if over-done, is poisonous to the whole body, not just attacking the cancer cells.

Almonds have a small amount of amygdalin in them (the pre-cursor of laetrile), so EAT ALMONDS, if not allergic to them.

h) Look up Cancer Control Society on the internet, and read their patient sheets, etc.

You may be pleasantly surprised, when speaking with these iconoclastic (image-breaking) cancer survivors.

i) If one waits until one knows exactly how something works, (and this is true of "allopathic" as well as "holistic" medicine), one might die, while waiting for the "evidence" to be "shown". How many times has one's doctor said something like this (trial & error, also known as empirical evidence):

"Let's try this drug, and see if it helps you. If it doesn't, we'll try something else". ?

j) Avoid ionizing radiation (includes xrays and mammograms, for example). Some feel that taking repeated mammograms can actually bring on breast cancer, by subjecting the delicate breast tissue to repeated assault by "ionizing radiation".

k) Read the book "Dressed to Kill" showing dangers of wearing bras too long (and too tightly), causing a situation similar to that of men wearing tight bike shorts--in both cases, the carcinogens hang around too long and are not easily swept out by lymph--so men get more testicular cancers from wearing those tight bike shorts, and women seem to get more breast cancer partly from wearing tight bras, too long in a day (and night in some cases).

l) If one can't quit smoking (due to nicotine addiction), at least use organic tobacco, which hasn't been contaminated by radioactive particles from phosphate fertilizer. See work done by scientist (the late but great Dr. Ed Martell) who showed this connection between phosphate fertilizers having radioactive particles being taken up into tobacco leaves, causing "low level radiation", causing mutations, resulting in lung cancers!

4) Don't be afraid to question authority--keep asking questions!

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Sincerely, Concerned Lady

Specializes in Peds/Neo CCT,Flight, ER, Hem/Onc.

Please STOP reposting that!!!!!!!