I think I'm done answering student nurse help me threads here.
I've gotten rude answers, or they never even bother coming back to the thread to acknowledge the answers they received.
Some will ask life choice questions like "Where should I move?" or "Where should I apply?". Do they think someone is going to offer them a job here, is that why they start these threads? You have the whole internet to research towns, cities, regions, but instead you post a thread asking a bunch of strangers where you should move?
Some help me threads seem to be 'Help me do my homework' threads.
I'm not going to touch your comment but I do want to make a suggestion (in a nurturing manner). You probably should not be posting a personal picture with your personal name/portions of your name. Even the most benign comment can come back to bite you if you are recognized. There have been some people here who learned that the hard way. Unless that's a picture of a celebrity with her name. I don't keep up with all the new pop-culture.[/quote']
While I appreciate your concern, this has been brought to my attention several times. And I stand by my statements. Now and forever. Anything I said or have said in the past has been said out loud publicly. You cannot penalize someone for speaking the truth or their opinion if it is not a detriment to the organization.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
Wow, this thread quickly became "un-fun"
To try and lighten it up...where did the biter come from?
I think it came from the same person who called experienced nurses "crustsy old bats." He/She said that older nurses were just "biter nurses." Of course, that person probably meant to say "bitter," but "biter" was so much funnier, and so it stuck.
No it means I'm trying to meet you halfway. I don't see you trying to meet me halfway.[/quote']
How is that meeting someone halfway? Because you're being less harsh than those before you? Why not simply treat the younger generation with dignity and respect, as if they will or already are your colleagues? Seems simple enough to me.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
While I appreciate your concern, this has been brought to my attention several times. And I stand by my statements. Now and forever. Anything I said or have said in the past has been said out loud publicly. You cannot penalize someone for speaking the truth or their opinion if it is not a detriment to the organization.
OK, well, I was trying to be nice, and here you tore my head off. So, if you want to complain about experienced nurses being so rude, perhaps you should police your own way of communicating. There was no call to be so nasty; I had no idea someone mentioned this to you earlier.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
It isn't a stereotype if there is evidence to support it. I have been told so, so many times to "buck up" by older, more experienced nurses because "that's what we were told to do" and I'd be a "better nurse if I figured it out on my own." None of which should ever be said to a new graduate, nor someone just shy of a month off orientation. Just because that's how it WAS doesn't mean it should be how it IS.
Perhaps if you're often being told to "buck up", you should do some self examination and figure out why they're telling you that. And honestly assess whether they could be right. If one person says you look like a donkey, perhaps they're just being mean. If several people tell you you look like a donkey, turn around and look for a tail.
"Figure it out on your own" IS something that should be told to any new grad, orientee or nurse who continually asks to be spoon fed information rather than making an effort to figure it out on their own. At some point, they're going to HAVE to figure out things on their own. A month off orientation is a good to START figuring things out on your own if you haven't already.
Perhaps you'll find if you ask your questions prefaced with "I've looked in the Policy manual and in the on-line procedure manual, but I can't find out XXXXXXX; where should I look next?" you'd get a response more in line with what you're hoping for. Older, experienced nurses don't mind helping you to become independent, but we do hope you're aiming to be independent.
I originally thought there were just generational differences between us. Now I think there's more to it than that.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
While I appreciate your concern, this has been brought to my attention several times. And I stand by my statements. Now and forever. Anything I said or have said in the past has been said out loud publicly. You cannot penalize someone for speaking the truth or their opinion if it is not a detriment to the organization.
Oh, boy. I look forward to someone from your job printing out some of your "truthful statements and opinions" and giving them to your manager. Believe me, some of the stuff you're posting isn't going down well with experienced nurses.
It isn't a stereotype if there is evidence to support it. I have been told so, so many times to "buck up" by older, more experienced nurses because "that's what we were told to do" and I'd be a "better nurse if I figured it out on my own." None of which should ever be said to a new graduate, nor someone just shy of a month off orientation. Just because that's how it WAS doesn't mean it should be how it IS.
I think the whole point they are trying to make is that it helps them to be able to help a student if they know what they have researched and how they have pursued the problem. Personally I love to research, yet sometimes in researching the trees can overwhelm me to where I can no longer see the forest. Is it fair to ask a person to help me if they have no idea what I have done to try to solve the problem, and hence where I got confused? Would it not be preferable to come with some effort to show how I got confused, than to just ask a blanket question that gives them no clue as to what I am confused about??
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
How is that meeting someone halfway? Because you're being less harsh than those before you? Why not simply treat the younger generation with dignity and respect, as if they will or already are your colleagues? Seems simple enough to me.
Like you're treating the older generation with dignity and respect?
Oh boy. I look forward to someone from your job printing out some of your "truthful statements and opinions" and giving them to your manager. Believe me, some of the stuff you're posting isn't going down well with experienced nurses.[/quote']
How not? Do you not think my concerns about older nurses haven't been brought to the attention of management and beyond? I assure you that they have.
Perhaps if you're often being told to "buck up" you should do some self examination and figure out why they're telling you that. And honestly assess whether they could be right. If one person says you look like a donkey, perhaps they're just being mean. If several people tell you you look like a donkey, turn around and look for a tail. "Figure it out on your own" IS something that should be told to any new grad, orientee or nurse who continually asks to be spoon fed information rather than making an effort to figure it out on their own. At some point, they're going to HAVE to figure out things on their own. A month off orientation is a good to START figuring things out on your own if you haven't already. Perhaps you'll find if you ask your questions prefaced with "I've looked in the Policy manual and in the on-line procedure manual, but I can't find out XXXXXXX; where should I look next?" you'd get a response more in line with what you're hoping for. Older, experienced nurses don't mind helping you to become independent, but we do hope you're aiming to be independent. I originally thought there were just generational differences between us. Now I think there's more to it than that.[/quote']
I assure you, that is how I approach every situation. But when there is an urgent situation arising and someone becomes unstable, directing me to a protocol as opposed to getting up to help is unacceptable.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
I think it came from the same person who called experienced nurses "crustsy old bats." He/She said that older nurses were just "biter nurses." Of course, that person probably meant to say "bitter," but "biter" was so much funnier, and so it stuck.
Was it the "Crusty Old Bats" poster? I don't remember. I just remember being called a "mean old biter nurse." Which was pretty funny!
Ruby Vee, BSN
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No, it means I'm trying to meet you halfway. I don't see you trying to meet me halfway.