State Mandates Restricting Travel to Other States - What Do You Think?

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What are some of your thoughts on state mandates restricting travel to and from other states or requiring a quarantine.

I think states do have the right to govern their states as they deem to be the best for the state. I want to think it is about safety and the health and wellbeing of others,  however, at one point is it too much. For example, if I want to travel to state A with my family, not go out to bars, etc, same patterns as if I am at home, what is the difference what state I am in. It seems some states have restrictions and others do not, and it doesn't appear that travel is the main cause for COVID spread.

I realize we are only 6/7 months into this pandemic and things change all the time, just feeling a little down and frustrated about travel restrictions and wanting to just have a break besides my own area. 

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1 hour ago, kbrn2002 said:

At this point I am so confused and yes, irritated by the whole thing. Why is it OK to ban social gatherings including weddings and funerals but it's OK to attend a political rally or protest? I honestly don't get the mindset here. I'm pretty sure those affected by a death in their family and those couples either postponing or greatly downsizing their wedding would agree. 

As for the proposed travel bans, in states that either aren't enacting public health mandates or not enforcing the one's they have I don't see that changing anytime soon. Those state's that are at least attempting to curtail the spread are facing serious difficulties with public compliance so I don't think any further restrictions will make much of a difference to those that just aren't going to follow them anyway.  

Short of everybody deciding to do their part in reducing virus spread which I just don't see happening I don't know what else we can do.   It's just so frustrating knowing I'm doing what's necessary yet I am still at risk of exposure every time I leave my house because other people aren't following basic public safety measures.

Trump and the GOP encouraged partisan noncompliance with mitigation strategies and mistrust of the science.  Trump and the GOP authored the American covid death count.  The prolonged suffering and increased deaths are theirs to own. Biden will never overcome that indoctrinated and ignorant belligerence. 

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10 hours ago, kbrn2002 said:

Why is it OK to ban social gatherings including weddings and funerals but it's OK to attend a political rally or protest?

Social gatherings like weddings and funerals cause fewer weddings and more funerals, so it makes sense that they are banned.

Who says it is OK to attend political rallies and protests without appropriate precautions?  Idiots and politicians looking at their own self interests, that's who.  

9 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

in states that either aren't enacting public health mandates or not enforcing the one's they have I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Actually, Republican governors who had, for political reasons, resisted simple common sense precautions are changing their tune.  Whether that is for political reasons, or from guilt from the deaths caused by outlandish political stances is up for debate.

 

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3 minutes ago, hherrn said:

Social gatherings like weddings and funerals cause fewer weddings and more funerals, so it makes sense that they are banned.

Who says it is OK to attend political rallies and protests without appropriate precautions?  Idiots and politicians looking at their own self interests, that's who.  

Actually, Republican governors who had, for political reasons, resisted simple common sense precautions are changing their tune.  Whether that is for political reasons, or from guilt from the deaths caused by outlandish political stances is up for debate.

 

Yes!

I am happy to be wrong about how far they would follow Trump down that particular rabbit hole.  

The truly disgusting thing is that governors know, and understand, the science.  We are not talking about the convenience store owner who believe Rush or Tucker.  We are talking about wealthy people who trust the science in other aspects of life.  They recognize and reward expertise in all aspects of their personal businesses. While they may publicly downplay climate change, you better believe they build a sea wall when their consultants tell them rising sea levels threaten an investment.

They did not get to their level of functioning by thinking guys like Fauci are hacks.  

They could have told the truth.  But, that would have made them political targets for Trump, and it might have meant they would lose a future election.  

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13 hours ago, hherrn said:

Social gatherings like weddings and funerals cause fewer weddings and more funerals, so it makes sense that they are banned.

Who says it is OK to attend political rallies and protests without appropriate precautions?  Idiots and politicians looking at their own self interests, that's who.  

Actually, Republican governors who had, for political reasons, resisted simple common sense precautions are changing their tune.  Whether that is for political reasons, or from guilt from the deaths caused by outlandish political stances is up for debate.

 

It's sadly impossible to keep politics out of this discussion because you and others who brought it up are absolutely right. I truly believe if it weren't for Trump and his response, or should I say nonresponse to this virus when it started in the US  the death toll in this country would look much different.  I am glad to see some of the Republican base is starting to change their tune, but it's too little to late to change the outcome for all those already affected by this.

On the other hand, it's not just the Republican base making poor decisions here.  While George Floyd's murder at the hands of police rightfully caused outrage and triggered an international response I don't agree with the decision to hold a publicly televised funeral with a lot of  people in attendance during a time when nobody else had the opportunity to have a funeral for their loved one's. 

My long time neighbor, the matriarch of her large Catholic family passed away around that time.  Her family wasn't allowed to gather and celebrate her life in the comfort of their church. Her daughter that helped her towards the end of her life and would've been responsible for her funeral arrangements was heartbroken the extended family wasn't able to come and say their goodbye's. She was angry at the spectacle of that televised funeral for Mr.  Floyd and I have to say I don't much blame her.

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On 11/18/2020 at 7:55 AM, kbrn2002 said:

It's sadly impossible to keep politics out of this discussion because you and others who brought it up are absolutely right. I truly believe if it weren't for Trump and his response, or should I say nonresponse to this virus when it started in the US  the death toll in this country would look much different.  I am glad to see some of the Republican base is starting to change their tune, but it's too little to late to change the outcome for all those already affected by this.

On the other hand, it's not just the Republican base making poor decisions here.  While George Floyd's murder at the hands of police rightfully caused outrage and triggered an international response I don't agree with the decision to hold a publicly televised funeral with a lot of  people in attendance during a time when nobody else had the opportunity to have a funeral for their loved one's. 

My long time neighbor, the matriarch of her large Catholic family passed away around that time.  Her family wasn't allowed to gather and celebrate her life in the comfort of their church. Her daughter that helped her towards the end of her life and would've been responsible for her funeral arrangements was heartbroken the extended family wasn't able to come and say their goodbye's. She was angry at the spectacle of that televised funeral for Mr.  Floyd and I have to say I don't much blame her.

That's fair.  I think one of the main differences between a Trump rally and say a BLM protest and other poor decisions by liberals is that liberals at least are more apt to wear masks at their events.  (Trump requires masks behind him for show and his followers are tortuously anti-mask).  But masks are only part of the prevention and six feet social distance should be maintained.  

So at the end of the day, I would be bitter not to be able to hold a family funeral while witnesses the Mr. Floyd funeral.

About interstate travel, we are wide open here in Florida.    I was talking on another board with someone that was asking about vegan places here in Florida on the beaches where I live.  She said she was visiting from Iowa which is a hard hit area per capita and apparently is struggling with covid.  Florida had nearly 8,000 cases yesterday.  People are concerned about Thanksgiving because Florida is a huge travel state with people coming down here to vacation and visit their parents, and people who moved here from the north traveling back to family. 

I have a problem with mandates.  I think the governor in New York overstepped in restricting the numbers of people that can attend Thanksgiving in their private homes.  Americans have always been able to freely travel in our country.  

On the other hand issuing guidelines for people to follow and hoping they do the right thing and use their common sense seems to be failing.  You open a bar and ask people to wear masks and stay six feet apart and they crowd the bar like there's nothing going on.  You ask people to be careful during a motorcycle rally and later you're state is in crisis.  

The governor of Wyoming bemoans this as his state has the highest percent of positivity in the country.  Sweden has the highest rate of covid in Scandinavia when they issued guidelines and hoped people would keep it at bay.

I'm all over the place.

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Tweety said:

 

That's fair.  I think one of the main differences between a Trump rally and say a BLM protest and other poor decisions by liberals is that liberals at least are more apt to wear masks at their events.  (Trump requires masks behind him for show and his followers are tortuously anti-mask).  But masks are only part of the prevention and six feet social distance should be maintained.  

 

 

I was in Louisville, on business, the day after the Briona Taylor announcement. It was wall to wall protesting. I saw VERY FEW masks. While I was terrified to be there due to the perceived danger from rioters, I was equally terrified of those not wearing masks, and I'm not sure terrified is the right word, but it sure wasn't a good feeling. A week or so later, Governor Beshear is lamenting the uptick in cases. Really? I was required to be there to give testimony for a legal proceeding, before anyone asks what I was doing there. I would have preferred to defer!

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1 hour ago, Hoosier_RN said:

I was in Louisville, on business, the day after the Briona Taylor announcement. It was wall to wall protesting. I saw VERY FEW masks. While I was terrified to be there due to the perceived danger from rioters, I was equally terrified of those not wearing masks, and I'm not sure terrified is the right word, but it sure wasn't a good feeling. A week or so later, Governor Beshear is lamenting the uptick in cases. Really? I was required to be there to give testimony for a legal proceeding, before anyone asks what I was doing there. I would have preferred to defer!

LOL

Yeah.  It's like the covid outbreak following the Sturgis Bike Rally ... there's nothing unexpected about a rise in cases after people gather together. The only difference worth considering is what motivated people to take such a risk, IMV.

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/sturgis-biker-rally-linked-to-260000-covid-cases/

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

LOL

Yeah.  It's like the covid outbreak following the Sturgis Bike Rally ... there's nothing unexpected about a rise in cases after people gather together. The only difference worth considering is what motivated people to take such a risk, IMV.

https://khn.org/morning-breakout/sturgis-biker-rally-linked-to-260000-covid-cases/

Both reasons are no reason to risk others getting sick/dying IMHO, sorry, not sorry. 

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4 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

I was in Louisville, on business, the day after the Briona Taylor announcement. It was wall to wall protesting. I saw VERY FEW masks. While I was terrified to be there due to the perceived danger from rioters, I was equally terrified of those not wearing masks, and I'm not sure terrified is the right word, but it sure wasn't a good feeling. A week or so later, Governor Beshear is lamenting the uptick in cases. Really? I was required to be there to give testimony for a legal proceeding, before anyone asks what I was doing there. I would have preferred to defer!

Fair enough.  I only know from my own experiences here.  The BLM protests here were pretty much social distanced and with mask compliance.  I know this is isn't necessarily true in all protests.  

I think the driving force in the uptick in cases is people being close and indoors rather than being outside.  

We have exceptions to the mask mandate here and being outside is one of them.  Being in the gym is another and I usually am one of the only people in a mask.  Bowling is another.  My league opted to space bowling teams apart, but there's another league there that didn't take that option and there are people crowded together as if there isn't a pandemic going on.  

Grocery stores have a mask mandate in the city I live and it's almost 100% compliance.  I've been to the county south of us without a mask mandate and it's open season.

It's no coincidence that that county has a higher percent of positivity than we do.

Again, my point that if you ask people to do the right thing, they aren't going to do it, is proven true.  If you require it, people seem to buckle up and do it.

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19 minutes ago, Tweety said:

Fair enough.  I only know from my own experiences here.  The BLM protests here were pretty much social distanced and with mask compliance.  I know this is isn't necessarily true in all protests.  

I think the driving force in the uptick in cases is people being close and indoors rather than being outside.  

We have exceptions to the mask mandate here and being outside is one of them.  Being in the gym is another and I usually am one of the only people in a mask.  Bowling is another.  My league opted to space bowling teams apart, but there's another league there that didn't take that option and there are people crowded together as if there isn't a pandemic going on.  

Grocery stores have a mask mandate in the city I live and it's almost 100% compliance.  I've been to the county south of us without a mask mandate and it's open season.

It's no coincidence that that county has a higher percent of positivity than we do.

Again, my point that if you ask people to do the right thing, they aren't going to do it, is proven true.  If you require it, people seem to buckle up and do it.

I agree, idiots will be idiots, regardless of political affiliation or trusting to do the right thing. I figure that I will protect me and mine, and hope for the best in the future. It's about all we can do

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2 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

Both reasons are no reason to risk others getting sick/dying IMHO, sorry, not sorry. 

Yeah. We've had that conversation before.  

1 hour ago, Hoosier_RN said:

I agree, idiots will be idiots, regardless of political affiliation or trusting to do the right thing. I figure that I will protect me and mine, and hope for the best in the future. It's about all we can do

Sure.

This time around, however, the coviodiots are primarily of one political persuasion and that is not by accident. 

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