South university online graduate school of nursing (msn family nurse practitioner)

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As a licensed RN in the State of Ohio, I have decided to go back to school for my MSN. I want to become a Family Nurse Practitioner. In researching different schools, I have applied for both private, not-for-profit, and for-profit schools. In the end, I chose South University (located in Savannah, Georgia) based solely on the perception that it will accommodate my lifestyle/responsibilities.

AllNurses.com is an excellent site for nurses to network. That is why I chose this forum to discuss my educational experiences with South University. For the next 2 years or so, I will be updating weekly/biweekly on my experiences in South University's Online Graduate Nursing Program. As a graduate nursing student, I want to give other nurses a real idea of what they are signing up for with this university.

Additional Details:

Start Date: June 2nd, 2014

Program: Online Graduate Nursing Program

Track: Family Nurse Practitioner

As I was researching different graduate nursing programs I had specific criteria in mind.

1. It had to be accredited (and it is by the CCNE).

2. It had to be a flexible, online program (and it is).

3. It had to accept all licensed nurses in good standing, regardless of the amount of experience they have (and it does).

4. It had to be affordable/doable. For me, I refused to pay more than $35,000 for a program. The Family Nurse Practitioner program currently costs ($30,833).

5. It had to legitimately educate me to operate within my scope of practice, ethically and efficiently.

6. It had to be well-respected, at least insofar as future employers (or even your state board of nursing) do not laugh/roll their eyes when they hear where you graduated from.

Additional Factors To Take Into Consideration:

1. South University currently has some very bad reviews on consumeraffairs.com and onlinedegreereviews.org.

2. "For Profit" schools have a universally bad reputation as scam schools. "Buyer beware."

Disclaimer:

Before I go any further, I'd like to reinforce the fact that my opinions are my own and are not meant to reflect poorly on anyone. I will try to be as objective as possible in reviewing the school and the education I receive. No names will be mentioned, but I will discuss specific classes to give the reader as much information as possible.

Please keep in mind that admissions requirements, classes, tuition, and circumstances are relative to my situation. They will likely change over time, so I'm not entirely too sure how applicable any of this will be to others.

But for what it's worth, I'd like to give everyone an insiders look at a "For Profit," online graduate school of nursing.

Admissions Review:

Admissions Requirements


    [*=2]GPA of 3.0 or Higher
    [*=2]Unrestricted, Valid RN License in Resident State
    [*=2]Undergraduate Statistics and Nursing Research Class
    [*=2]3 Professional References (One Must Be an MSN Prepared Nurse)
    [*=2]Goal Statement
    [*=2]Transcripts from all universities you have ever attended
    [*=2]Resume or Curriculum Vitae.

Paper-Work to Be Aware of:


    [*=2]Online Application Form
    [*=2]Transcript Request Form
    [*=2]Goal Statement (Information about yourself as a professional, as long as what program you are applying for and what you hope to do with the degree. Why do you want to become a nurse practitioner? How will it impact your life?)
    [*=2]3 Professional References
    [*=2]Curriculum Vitae or Resume
    [*=2]Syllabus and Course Catalog (with web address) of both of your undergraduate Statistics and Nursing Research Class
    [*=2]Practicum/Clinical Site Form: This school wants you to identify 5 potential clinical sites for each of five clinical courses. They are not contracts and are not set in stone. They are merely there to provide incentive for RNs to begin looking independently.
    [*=2]FAFSA (Unless you are an international student.)
    [*=2]Student Loan Paperwork (If you are like me and will rely upon an unsubsidized student loan with a fixed interest rate).

Orientation to Online Classrooms:

If accepted into this program you must complete the online orientation class. It prepares you for where to find student resources (such as an online library which has most of your text-books), documents (lectures/powerpoints), student email, and technical support. It teaches you where your grades are stored and what will be expected of you in classes. To be seen as having good attendance/participation you are expected to contribute 4 times a week on 4 separate days. Contribution is defined as posting an assignment in the discussion, turning in an assignment, posting a question for the professor, and etc. If you do not make at least 2 contributions for 2 consecutive weeks, admissions will automatically boot you from the program.

Additionally, a student cannot score below 80% in any given class, without being on disqualified from the program. So, in other words, no Cs allowed.

As long as a student plays by these rules and actually puts forth effort (taking the program seriously), it seems that all will be well.

Another aspect of online education you should be aware of is that many essays and papers that will be written are going to be screened by anti-plagiarism software.

Admissions Review:

My admissions representative was outstanding and kept in touch with me every other day or via email. If she didn't have the answer to one of my questions, she would get back to me promptly. She was very patient but also helped motivate me to get things in ASAP so that I could begin in June. I finished Applying two and a half weeks before June 2nd and was around 10 days after I applied (just in time). June 2nd isn't a very popular start date. If you are applying in the Spring or Summer, keep in mind that you will face a lot more competition.

Your Admissions representative will stay in contact with you for the duration of your education.

Academic Counselor Review:

My academic adviser was very knowledgeable and helpful. I have had better luck contacting him via email than through phone, but it seems like that is the standard in an online environment. Like my Admissions rep, he has always been on time telephone appointments. He explained that his role was to register you for the correct classes and notify you asap when you are not meeting attendance/participation/grade requirements to stay in the program. He is also the middle-man between me and my professors. If for whatever reason, an instructor is not responding to me within the 24hrs time-frame they have to reply, I can call up my academic adviser. (It's 24hrs on a week-day and 48hrs on a holiday/weekend).

The program is typically one class at a time with classes ranging from 5 to 11.5 weeks.

My Academic Counselor told me that I could double up on my classes, as long as I had financial aid approve of it and the ability to succeed. After convincing him and being cleared by financial aid (I would just take out more of my loan than previously planned upon), I was rescheduled. So, I have officially doubled up the first two classes of the program, Role of the Advanced Practice Nurse and Advanced Pathophysiology.

Then I will take Advanced Theoretical Perspectives for Nursing on its own.

After that, I will double up Nursing Research Methods (an 11 week class) with Advanced Nursing Practice I and II.

Advanced health & Physical Assessment is the first course with a clinical requirement (80hrs). Every class after that (except Graduate Project in Nursing) has a clinical requirement of 180hrs.

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Tuition:

The first year of loans period I will be paying for range from 06/02/14 to 01/26/14 and will cost me approximately $16,530. I do not yet know what the rest of my classes from 04/13/15-11/30/15 will cost.

Okay that is all for now! Please post questions you have and I will do my best to answer them!!

Specializes in Pain managment.

South's program is very intense but well worth the time and the money. I often compare what I am learning to my peers at other schools, and I must say the quality of education is top notch.

Specializes in Geriatrics/family medicine.

Thanks so much for the positive words. I start next month

Specializes in Med-Surg.

Anyone in clinical? I was wondering how the clinical's are coming along....or if anyone has graduated and took boards? I am interested in the pass rates for South.

I'm applying to the FNP program for Feb. I'm a little worried due to all the mixed reviews!! Can someone in the program give me their thoughts on the program? Thanks for any feedback!

I am also in the FNP program through South and have completed all the "core" classes and will begin clinical March 2015. I would like some insight into to clinical portion if anyone has completed the program or any clinical up to this point.

ModestTruth, earlier in this thread you mentioned several NPs that you know of that wish they had done FNP instead of their chosen specialty. Aside from the pediatric aspect, isnt Adult/Ger Primary NP the same as FNP? Did they say why they wish they had chosen the FNP instead?

My wife and I are going to start this around the end of march and planned on doing FNP because of the versitility but we have no desire or intentions of doing pediatric so we could save ourselves 11 weeks and 6 credits worth of tuition each by doing Adult :).

I appreciate all of the information you have given so far. It is extremely helpful to see someone's experience and to hear their oppinion.

One more question. You doubled up on your first three classes and got them done in 11 weeks instead of 22. I was looking at their courses and see there might be a few more that you can double up on. Am I correct?

Thanks again. Any info you can provide is appreciated. Any other South University alumni or current students are welcome to chime in as well.

ModestTruth, earlier in this thread you mentioned several NPs that you know of that wish they had done FNP instead of their chosen specialty. Aside from the pediatric aspect, isnt Adult/Ger Primary NP the same as FNP? Did they say why they wish they had chosen the FNP instead?

My wife and I are going to start this around the end of march and planned on doing FNP because of the versitility but we have no desire or intentions of doing pediatric so we could save ourselves 11 weeks and 6 credits worth of tuition each by doing Adult :).

I appreciate all of the information you have given so far. It is extremely helpful to see someone's experience and to hear their oppinion.

One more question. You doubled up on your first three classes and got them done in 11 weeks instead of 22. I was looking at their courses and see there might be a few more that you can double up on. Am I correct?

Thanks again. Any info you can provide is appreciated. Any other South University alumni or current students are welcome to chime in as well.

Right now SU's program is constantly in flux. No matter what anyone else tells you it is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But, it is accredited. It is flexible (insofar as being online). Due dates are not flexible. And there are no breaks between classes (you are taking them back to back). If you guys can swing it, then God Bless. If you are thinking it would be cool to work together on assignments, my only recommendation is to be careful because they have us submit all work to TurnItIn.com before it can be graded. It literally compares whatever you wrote to anything out there on the internet and gives a percent of similarity between your paper and the rest of the internet. Also, the chances are that you and your wife will not be in the same class division at the same time. SU has multiple instructors teaching multiple sectors of the same class. There may be 4 or 5 instructors teaching up to 5 different groupings of individuals for the same course. And the assignments are all radically/slightly different between each grouping (although I'm sure there is overlap at some point). I guess this is what miffs me. As a whole, SU can say they are teaching us A-Z, but if it's not explicitly listed in your class/course, you do not go near the bulk of the material (except in reading). And the problem I have with "only reading" is that it doesn't work. That's why almost ALL post-secondary institutions provide lectures and abbreviated notations of reading materials for quick reference (power points). SU doesn't care about that. They are only trying to push students over hurdles as quickly as possible. If I were you, I would look into applying for Graceland University's online FNP program. It's online, competitively priced with SU (maybe cheaper, after all the tuition increases), and it also takes your learning seriously. There are real exams, real lectures, and real instructors who have actually worked in their field AND taught before.

South's program is very intense but well worth the time and the money. I often compare what I am learning to my peers at other schools, and I must say the quality of education is top notch.

Hi! Things might be different for you where you live. And the schools I'm comparing SU to are typically online programs run by state or private universities (rather than for-profit businesses). The main reason why SU's program is so "intense" is because of their "for-profit" nature. There are no breaks between classes, they are basically back-to-back.

Next, there is very little that they do to help you learn. I don't know where you got your BSN from, but I went to a state university known for nursing. There is a huge difference between the online classes I had at this college, and the ones I am in here at SU. Most of it is content.

Now let me go a little further by explaining the way SU is set up to you, in case you haven't already figured it out. Basically, for each course there are approximately 4-5 instructors. Each instructor deals with several online classrooms for each course. So if you were to take Advanced Patho with Prof. B, you would be in one of several classrooms Prof. B teaches for that course. In each course, the information you are exposed to is limited. Your assignments are different than other sectors of that course to prevent plagiarism and re-use of assignments. Because of that, SU can say they are teaching you A-Z of material, even when you are only exposed to A-B. The rest of the information you are accountable for comes from readings.

This is the next way in which SU does not care about their students. Despite touting their flexibility, they ultimately do things to make your life way harder. Almost all post-secondary institutions provide lectures and power points to supplement the book information. These lectures/power points essentially abbreviate and build on important aspects of the book reading. The texts used in the beginning 3-4 classes or "core curriculum" are absolutely inadequate for a master's level education (in my opinion).

Another thing most universities do is provide students with written exams to test their retention of material. I know you might be thinking "what a pain." But this is one of the best ways to prepare for a licensure/certification exam (by taking exams periodically throughout your class that are modeled after certification exams). To be honest, it is in the University's best interests to do this for students (or to at least direct us to optional exams and answer keys to complete independently). Why? Because it boosts certification rates of THEIR graduates. That information is usually published and available.

For SU, their FNP/ANP program is too new to have this info published yet. Although, I have been asking and they said it would come out in this month (January). It hasn't yet been made available as far as I know.

I'm not trying to say that SU is the worst program ever. But by no stretch of the imagination is it "top notch" or perfect. It absolutely is NOT perfect. And you are clearly deluding yourself if you think so.

1. It's easy to get in, especially if you have zero experience working as an RN

2. It's fast.

3. It's much cheaper than some schools (i.e. Simmons....50-80k, Yikes!! That's the number they last quoted).

4. It's online.

5. Somehow, it is accredited.

6. If your state gives credence to their accreditation*** (Check the SU website, some states don't take them seriously as a school and it's no wonder why).

Those are the positive qualities of the school from what I have experienced. But in terms of education, they really do not care if you are learning what you need to know in real life to function as an NP. As long as your assignments are good enough to pass, then they don't really touch upon other things. And, as I have explained before, your assignments are less than a drop in a bucket of the info you need to know to do your job competently as a nurse practitioner.

It all depends on who you are and how confident you are in realizing the shortcomings of your own education. What scares me the most is that there are people like you, sfalumberjack007, who think they are getting a "top notch" education. That means your perceptions of your abilities/knowledge is disproportionate to your actual abilities/knowledge. Please remember that you can be an RN working in an ICU for 34 years and still struggle with the transition to primary care and the medical model of thinking (i.e. medical diagnosis). It is a higher level of critical thinking and autonomy. Also, the amount of information you need to know in primary care (as well as the level of your assessment skills) is MUCH GREATER. I say this because it's true. If you work in primary care as an FNP, you need to be an expert in safe diagnosis/testing/treatment for individuals of ALL age ranges and developmental stages (even those with developmental disorders). And your assessment skills are the very first step to not making fatal errors in judgement or being sued for neglect/omission/comission. Remember, if there are MDs and NPs who think you should know it (industry standard) during a trial, then you would be a fool not to. And from what I can see, SU does not help its students acquire the knowledge base required to function in this professional role. You either have it or you don't (based on seeing multiple classmates quit this program/transfer). Usually, only the very ignorant or very hopeful/studious/autonomous students stay in the program until completion. That is what I have encountered/experienced so far. And don't think it has been easy finding that out. Because of SU's construction they GREATLY INHIBIT communication between different cohorts of the same program. They say "we have online networking available." But there is very little/no way of finding people in your same program through their online networking site. If you want to know anything about future classes you have to scour the internet and locate people who have graduated.

I am always thinking of leaving this program for a university that teaches me more of what I need to know. I am always disappointed by the false sense of security I encounter amongst several of the students in my class and the course facilitators. I am only with SU right now because I am NOT arrogant and disillusioned. There are too many things I do not know and that is why I am taking every measure (independently and costly though it may be) to teach myself what I need to know based on our certifying bodies.

I am applying for the match 5, 2015 start up date fnp program at south university. I wanted to get to

know my classmates so we can help each other out though this journey if possible. My email [email protected]. Do you have a copy of the curriculum/ sequence of classes. My Admissions counselor has not emailed it to me yet. I also wanted to see what classes I could double up on.

Hi,

I applied for the March start date. My email address is [email protected]

I would love to know some people in the program.

Specializes in Gastroenterology; and Primary Care.

Modest truth, I am sorry to see you are having a bad online experience. The SU campus version is much better. I have taken one online class with SU (As a on-campus student we are only allowed to take 4 of the courses online, but I already rc'd credit for 3 of them) The one course I completed was on par with the two top-ranked college's I rc'd my ASN, BSN & MSN through. Also as a nurse educator who teaches in higher learning currently (on campus and online), I understand your frustrations, as the two ways of schooling are very different. On-campus is teacher facilitated (led) while online is student facilitated. Unless the school has auto synch or video class it would be impossible to have a similar experience to the on-campus style. I am not defending any one school I am just telling you how it is in a majority of schools (some of your local public universities have the federal monies and grants to do the schooling the way you prefer). Since SU is regionally accredited you should find a local school that will accept your credits as your lack of loving your education is going to get worse. You need to transfer before you have too many credits that won't transfer. Good Luck!

Specializes in Icu.

Hello, I am applying to the SU march 2015. But I ha mixed feelings with what I have read.

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