Should Obama care be repealed?

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[h=1]another poll question?[/h]

[Daisy4RN]

HeronPro: I do not want more consideration for my circumstances. I just want a fair way to offset those costs imposed on working people. Example: I have to pay $400.00 per day if I am hospitalized. I have witnessed many patients refuse to leave the hospital after DC orders even though there is no medical reason for them to stay. Doctors will not DC for fear of lawsuit. If these patients had to pay even a small copay they would not want to stay, they would be more accountable for their actions. This along with cutting fraud and abuse, and tort reform, would help offset costs for working people. Also, those Politicians who thought this was a good idea should also be in the same Insurance Plan (which they are not) which would also help offset costs.

[elkpark]

Also, those Politicians who thought this was a good idea should also be in the same Insurance Plan (which they are not) which would also help offset costs.

Actually, they are. People keep saying that Congress "exempted itself" from the ACA, but it's not true.

Members of Congress, the president and president's family, the members of the administration, do not have some super-special insurance just for them that pays for everything. They used to be covered under the FEHBP (Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan), and chose from among the same range of health insurance options offered to every other Federal employee, from the president down to people mopping floors at the VA or typing at your local SSA office, and paid for the plan that made the most sense for their families, same as every other Federal employee. Since 2014, members of Congress have been required to purchase their insurance on the exchanges. The president and president's family still purchase insurance through the FEHBP.

It is true that the president, while president, is eligible for free healthcare through the military healthcare system, as Commander in Chief of the armed forces, as are the president's direct family members.

Health Care for Members of Congress?

In Obamacare, Congress must buy insurance from marketplaces but president and his administration keep "gold-plated" coverage, Rep. Sean Duffy says | PolitiFact Wisconsin

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[nehneh14]

Absolutely not! It should not be repealed. That would be devastating to millions. The only acceptable substitute would be single payor. I've had so many patients getting quality healthcare for themselves and for their children for the first time in their lives. It's so sad to hear how fearful people are now that the security of insurance will likely be taken away. It's shameful that this country does not provide healthcare as a right.

[Daisy4RN]

Who knows exactly what to believe but I have seen other articles like this that show that Congress has made special circumstances for themselves. We all need a reboot on the ACA that is a fair plan for all including those who work and pay for it....

http://dailysignal.com/2016/05/11/how-congress-mysteriously-became-a-small-business-to-qualify-for-obamacare-subsides/

[ThePrincessBride, MSN, RN, NP]

The ACA would have been better had Republicans not been so obstructive and had actually cooperated with Democrats to make ACA better than what it is.

As far as people saying that the ACA made healthcare too expensive....healthcare premiums were already climbing at ridiculous rates prior to Obama taking office. Now it allows people access to healthcare they wouldn't have had otherwise d/t pre-existing conditions, etc.

[RunnerNurse09, BSN, RN]

I challenge any of the above posters to describe one person they know well who has worked hard all his or her life and whose health has deteriorated over the last fifteen years since they saw a physician for lack of health insurance. I challenge them to describe an elderly person they know personally who would be on the streets or dead without the "handout" that is Social Security. I challenge them to describe what their life was like when they themselves had, say, a soft-tissue infection that went untreated for months because they couldn't afford self-pay without health insurance. I challenge you to describe the daily life of an accident victim whose money is gone and who sits right now in a darkened room in a third-rate SNF rotting away.

I assure you that I know all of those people personally, and have been among them myself. The first guy earned less than $24,000 last year; he is among the working poor but the health plan I got him into has subsidized ("handout?") premiums which have allowed him to have both medical and dental care for the first time in more than fifteen years. This, in turn, has not "bankrupted" him, but made it possible to keep working.

If you don't know these people or see them regularly in your work, you have no business whatsoever shooting off your mouth about what a "disaster" the Affordable Care Act is and how it hasn't done anything of substance. What was it supposed to do? What has it done? Dropped the uninsured rate to its lowest level EVER in this country. Dropped the childhood uninsured rate to less than 2%. Made it possible for millions and millions of people to be immunized, have cancer screens, get routine dental care, have reliable contraception, get medications for chronic conditions like diabetes, COPD, MS, CP, and others. And why do you think the insurance companies aren't screaming to make the ACA go away? Because they're making money, too.

OK, you want to wave a wand and make that all go away? Maybe it's easy for you to say that....because you don't know anybody for whom it has been life-saving. I do. Look around you, see those people you ignore on the streets or in your ERs or your children's school cafeteria. And tell them it's all gone. And you-- will you help them then?

When people talk about handouts, I am pretty sure they are talking about the masses that are poor and continue to procreate. Poor people have more children that those that are not. WHY IS THIS?? Why should these people be allowed to live off the system? Here's a novel idea: If you cant afford to raise children and provide them with adequate care and support on your own, dont have sex! Something needs to be done about this. I understand that sometimes situations that are out of ones hands happen (ie you already have kids, your spouse leaves, one income). However when you start having kids at the age of 15 and have 4 by the time your 22, theres a huge issue.

[elkpark]

Who knows exactly what to believe but I have seen other articles like this that show that Congress has made special circumstances for themselves. We all need a reboot on the ACA that is a fair plan for all including those who work and pay for it....

http://dailysignal.com/2016/05/11/how-congress-mysteriously-became-a-small-business-to-qualify-for-obamacare-subsides/

Scott Walker: Obamacare doesn’t require members of Congress to abide by the rules others do | PolitiFact Wisconsin

[ThePrincessBride, MSN, RN, NP]

A knee-jerk reaction in me agrees with you. I work in NICU and see this stuff all the time. Parents on all forms of welfare, on drugs, working on their fifth baby before they are in their mid-twenties while more responsible citizens end up losing babies or struggle to have the ONE they have right now.

But it is much more complicated than that. Poorer people oftentimes have limited access to birth control and sex education compared to their middle and upper class counterparts. Couple that with Republicans bringing war to women's reproductive rights and attempting to de-fund Planned Parenthood, it is no wonder poorer people are having so many babies.

Education of women strongly correlates with the fertility rates and the quality of their children's lives. Simply telling these women to "keep their legs close" (which is disgustingly offensive) isn't the answer. Providing better access to birth control is a start. Improving sex education in our public schools would be awesome (abstinence-only education has proven time and time again to be inefficient).

Also, we need to get it out of our heads that poor people don't pay taxes. Yes...many do. And if they aren't paying taxes, many (including those on welfare) are still working full-time jobs to support their families. They need our help, not our derision.

When people talk about handouts, I am pretty sure they are talking about the masses that are poor and continue to procreate. Poor people have more children that those that are not. WHY IS THIS?? Why should these people be allowed to live off the system? Here's a novel idea: If you cant afford to raise children and provide them with adequate care and support on your own, dont have sex! Something needs to be done about this. I understand that sometimes situations that are out of ones hands happen (ie you already have kids, your spouse leaves, one income). However when you start having kids at the age of 15 and have 4 by the time your 22, theres a huge issue.

[AliNajaCat]

I was at a meeting where the legal counsel was stating that on average a medical company spends $500,000 in legal fees defending and maintaining a single brand name every year.

$500,000? That's petty cash in an industry where the profits routinely total into the BILLIONS. That's the cost of doing business, and it's a tax write-off besides.

[pmabraham, BSN, RN]

I'm hoping congress listens and removes the disaster called ACA.100% partisan, 100% democrat, Nancy Pelosi's famous statement that it has to bepassed, rather than read it, to know what's in it, along with all of the liestold to us by outgoing President Obama and the Democrats:

* You can keep your current health care insurance if you like it.

* You can keep your doctor if you like your doctor.

* Families will save $2,500 per year.

* It's not a tax.

I hope people remember that health care insurance DOES NOTguarantee access to health care in a free country where providers have everysingle right to determine the payment methods they accept. And that mandatoryinsurance ONLY lines the pockets of the insurance companies.

[SouthernBelle85]

Obamacare did help me when I was working at a daycare. I had very cheap insurance and I was able to go to wellness check ups. I hurt my back picking up babies (bad body mechanics. I know better now) and went to the doctor and they were awesome. Quit my job to go to school and lost my insurance. Eventually I was able to get medicaid, which has been nice since I have to get physicals for school. Right now I am the low income who benefiting from this insurance.

But I get the middle class side. My neighbors growing up. The husband is a farmer and his wife ran a beauty shop. Their kids are grown it's just them two both in their 60s and the wife had to go and work at the local prison so she can could get benefits because their private insurance went up to 2000 dollars after Obamacare came out. No one can afford that....

I don't think it needs to be thrown out and we go back to the old way because I understand how much it sucks not having insurance. I didn't have it in college years and most of my 20s until Obamacare. But it's like either the rich benefits or the poor benefits but a lot of times it's the middle class that is forgotten. It just needs some revamping so it can benefit everyone.

The thing is though....Republicans don't want to compromise at all with Democrats and vise-versa...we need these parties to put on their big boy and big girl panties and start working together.

[MunoRN, RN]

I'm hoping congress listens and removes the disaster called ACA.100% partisan, 100% democrat, Nancy Pelosi's famous statement that it has to bepassed, rather than read it, to know what's in it, along with all of the liestold to us by outgoing President Obama and the Democrats:

* You can keep your current health care insurance if you like it.

* You can keep your doctor if you like your doctor.

* Families will save $2,500 per year.

* It's not a tax.

I hope people remember that health care insurance DOES NOTguarantee access to health care in a free country where providers have everysingle right to determine the payment methods they accept. And that mandatoryinsurance ONLY lines the pockets of the insurance companies.

I don't think you'll find many who will disagree that we could do better than the ACA, but what would you replace it with? Not liking the ACA is the easy part, have something idea of what you would want instead is the important part.