Rn being trained by lpn?

[studentnurse9806]

What are your thoughts about this?

[loriangel14, RN]

I am glad that where I am I CAN do assessments.

[BrandonLPN, LPN]

This is complete BS and offensive to PNs.

For a student to feel this way doesn't really offend me. Nursing school and the NCLEX really do teach this.

It's really unfair to students with no nursing background how schools paint an unrealistic picture.

I will say that it's unwise to voice such bold and provocative opinions while one is still a student. Totally one's right to have whatever opinion one wants. But to form an opinion before one has any experience... yeah, unwise. Intelligence is based in knowledge, wisdom is based in experience. Having one without the other is dangerous.

[loriangel14, RN]

I predict she will offend a lot of coworkers some day.

[wooh, BSN, RN]

For a student to feel this way doesn't really offend me. Nursing school and the NCLEX really do teach this.

It's really unfair to students with no nursing background how schools paint an unrealistic picture.

I will say that it's unwise to voice such bold and provocative opinions while one is still a student. Totally one's right to have whatever opinion one wants. But to form an opinion before one has any experience... yeah, unwise. Intelligence is based in knowledge, wisdom is based in experience. Having one without the other is dangerous.

Ok to have the opinion. Might be much wiser to stop before pontificating upon it.

[loriangel14, RN]

That's sad and very divisive if that's what they are teaching.

[LadyFree28, BSN, LPN, RN]

That's sad and very divisive if that's what they are teaching.

I wonder where these places are that are teaching this; granted there are nurses that have that opinion; I have come across only ONE clinical instructor that had that attitude while I was in the PN program; I did not come across it in my BSN program AT ALL.

[Fiona59]

All members of any facility should work together and help each other in patient/client care. However, many facilities will allow LPNs to do very similar tasks if not the same as an RN (that seems to be left to the discretion of the company)...However, what have I learned so far from doing 1600+ NCLEX-RN Qs (exam is in 4 weeks), is that LPNs CANNOT assess! That is a HUGE difference! As many of you know or SHOULD know by now, assessment is priority before implementation or anything! Even in nursing school my professors mentioned how the need for LPNs is slowly diminishing because it isn't as cost effective in the long run. It's safer to have one more RN instead of 3 LPNs only because the RN would be able to assess and thereby provide quality care. No offense to any LPNs or RNs here on this site, but these are the kinds of concepts being taught to us recent grads, and since the NCLEX changed this past April, so did the info needed to study. FYI I stopped reading these posts on page 3/5 so if someone else already mentioned this, I apologize. Back to studying I go!

Please never venture north to Canada in search of employment. LPNs can and do assess. We admit, we discharge, and show new hire RNs the ropes. And even worse, we educate our patients.

[edmia, BSN, RN]

That's sad and very divisive if that's what they are teaching.

That is NOT what is being taught. What is taught is the difference in scope of practice for LPNs and RNs. This legal distinction that says that LPNs cannot document an assessment. It's the way things are in my state, could be different in other areas. This limits what LPNs can legally do.

Now if students are interpreting this to mean that LPNs are incapable of assessing a patient, well that's just stupid.

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[Meriwhen, ASN, BSN, MSN, RN]

Depends on what the training involves. Over the years, I've learned--both formally and otherwise--a lot of valuable info from LVNs. And I never feel any discomfort when it comes to one showing me how to do something...if anything, I appreciate it.

[Katie71275]

I was officially trained by an RN(as my preceptor); however, my preceptor wasn't always there, so I was often trained by the LPN also. I work L&D and our LPNs usually are scrub nurse in the C-sections, and are excellent at it, so for the most part I was trained by LPNs on how to scrub. You can learn something from everyone, including the CNAs!

[lindseylpn]

I've trained many nurses both LPNs and RNs. I'm actually the trainer at my job, I train every nurse that gets hired. When I worked in ltc I was part of a "orientation team" and I was the designated trainer for 3rd shift too.

[Iheartnursing, ASN]

How funny..... We do get caught up on titles don't we..... I have trained several RN's.....I have also been insulted by some newer grads who have said to me "oh you're an LPN, you know your stuff I thought you were an RN" lol... It happens and I try to not get offended anymore. In there a few things an LPN can do that an RN can do We can even pronounce! I have to say I have been victim my self when I got offended when a medical assistant was trying to tell my I was working outside my scope. I know my scope! I try not to get to sensitive with the Just an LPN mentality... I suppose as I grow older it will offend me less. Of course by then I will be just an RN.