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Resign first or wait until I find out if I'm fired?

calliope26 specializes in Med Surg, Hospice, Wound Care.

I've been told I have a meeting with my supervisor and HR tomorrow, so I'm anticipating the worst, but not 100% positive I'll get fired. My supervisor could not really give me a lot of information, so, do I hand in a letter before they have a chance to fire me? I am supposed to work a 30 day notice, so I've written a letter reflecting that, with the usual thanks for the "opportunity." The one reason I am so hesitant, is I want to hear them out. I know of no reason I should be fired, there have been no incidents at work that I am aware of. Advice please!

klone specializes in Women's Health/OB Leadership.

I think it's interesting that you automatically assume you are going to be fired, yet you can't think of any reason why you would be fired? That makes no sense. Are you wanting to resign simply to preempt the firing, or are you wanting to resign because you are unhappy in your job?

kakamegamama specializes in MCH,NICU,NNsy,Educ,Village Nursing.

In some states you cannot receive unemployment if you quit. So, take that into account. Don't assume the worst, if you have no disciplinary actions , such as verbal or written warnings, in your file.

Hearing them out sounds like a good idea. Who knows----you may be offered a great opportunity, that if you quit, you will miss out on!

I wish you the best!

Davey Do specializes in Psych, CD, HH, Admin, LTC, OR, ER, Med Surge.

28 minutes ago, klone said:

I think it's interesting that you automatically assume you are going to be fired

Calliope and I belong to the same club, klone, and it's called called "The Pessimists"!

Like I've said before, "I leave work each Monday morning believing I'll be fired for something I did or didn't do during the weekend and every Friday I come into work to find my name on the schedule".

27 minutes ago, kakamegamama said:

In some states you cannot receive unemployment if you quit.

Good point, kakamegamma. I've been fired three times in my nursing career and won unemployment benefits two out of the three times,

Once again, as I've said before, "I would have won the termination contestment the third time had I not said to my supervisor, 'Go ahead- fire me!' ".

The adjudicator said, "You cannot tell your supervisor to fire you and contest it when he does!"

Good luck to you, calliope. And please, let us know how this comes out, you pessimistic kindred spirit, you!

Crash_Cart specializes in ER OR LTC Code Blue Trauma Dog.

Maybe they are doing an employee performance review, random drug testing or other such HR policy nonsense.

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calliope26 specializes in Med Surg, Hospice, Wound Care.

Klone, I have be counseled on one issue, but that was 7 months ago, and I have had great feedback since then. I am being deliberately vague, I realize, but this is a public forum. Certain things about my job make me unhappy, but I am mostly very satisfied. I've put a lot of effort into improving, and thought I was successful at that.

Davey Do specializes in Psych, CD, HH, Admin, LTC, OR, ER, Med Surge.

4 minutes ago, Crash_Cart said:

Maybe they are doing an employee performance review, random drug testing or other such HR policy nonsense.

Jeez, Crash_Cart!

Where's the drama in that?

calliope26 specializes in Med Surg, Hospice, Wound Care.

Kakamegamma, tone of voice didn't match, and it's not a random UDS. Thanks for the good wishes!

calliope26 specializes in Med Surg, Hospice, Wound Care.

Yes, Daveydo, plan for the worst and hope for the best! Thanks!

Davey Do specializes in Psych, CD, HH, Admin, LTC, OR, ER, Med Surge.

Just now, calliope26 said:

Yes, Daveydo, plan for the worst and hope for the best! Thanks!

I think I'm in love...

canoehead specializes in ER.

If you don't know what you've done, its possible they have someone else on the block and they want to question you about an incident.

15 minutes ago, canoehead said:

If you don't know what you've done, its possible they have someone else on the block and they want to question you about an incident.

Hope for this. Too bad someone, like your manager, won't give you a heads up. If they were looking out for you or had your best interests in mind, they could give you the opportunity to walk in there to hand in the resignation instead of getting a termination. But you can guess the individual is mindful of liability issues in case you would not take a termination lying down. Good luck.

Davey Do specializes in Psych, CD, HH, Admin, LTC, OR, ER, Med Surge.

2 minutes ago, canoehead said:

If you don't know what you've done, its possible they have someone else on the block and they want to question you about an incident.

Yeah, canoehead. Calliope needs to be prepared!

If you think it would help, calliope, you review some information in my manual:

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Davey Do specializes in Psych, CD, HH, Admin, LTC, OR, ER, Med Surge.

On a serious note, I was called into HR by the director of psych in March 2017 and was denied EAP presence. The meeting was over being written up for not filling out a superfluously redundant piece of paperwork.

To make a long story short, I confronted the HR manager on her inappropriate actions, the director on past transgressions, and filed a harassment charge.

I've not had to deal with either the HR manager or director in over 2 years!

My motto: Get more on them than they got on you.

Crash_Cart specializes in ER OR LTC Code Blue Trauma Dog.

It's just a tip, but if you ever have to give HR a urine sample, never return with it saying, "Hi, I'm back now and got you a cup of coffee while I was out."

Davey Do specializes in Psych, CD, HH, Admin, LTC, OR, ER, Med Surge.

23 minutes ago, Crash_Cart said:

It's just a tip, but if you ever have to give HR a urine sample, never return with it saying, "Hi, I'm back now and got you a cup of coffee while I was out."

Good advice, Crash_Cart!

Tell them it's apple juice.

canoehead specializes in ER.

If they hit you with something unexpectedly, you are well within your rights to ask for a copy of the complaint, and tell them you will respond in writing. Responding off the cuff is rarely as articulate and thorough a defense as when you have a chance to review policies and consider your words. They want that initial, immediate reply, but it doesn't benefit you to give them what they want. They've had days (at least) to research the issue and talk to witnesses. You are entitled to some time too.

I gave a verbal response to a complaint once, and none of my response was included in the final reprimand. It just said " your response was inadequate to explain your actions." They refused to include a written statement in the record. If you make your response written, not verbal, it's part of the official file.

Lastly, get ALL of the complaint. Not just the managers statement, but witness statements, with names. If someone won't back up their statement personally, it's not worth a damn in court, and if they take action against you based on hearsay, you can sue.

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7 hours ago, calliope26 said:

Klone, I have be counseled on one issue, but that was 7 months ago, and I have had great feedback since then. I am being deliberately vague, I realize, but this is a public forum. Certain things about my job make me unhappy, but I am mostly very satisfied. I've put a lot of effort into improving, and thought I was successful at that.

Some places will actually remove disciple notes from your file after a given number of months if there have been no other issues. Hopefully this is a standard follow up but it is strange that your manager won’t give you any information about the reason for the meeting. I have a hard time believing that she doesn’t know. Honestly I’d be very worried too. Hope it’s good news!

Nurse SMS specializes in Critical Care; Cardiac; Professional Development.

The last time I saw this done with someone it was due to their showing up on a report run on a high profile patient. Everyone who accessed the chart that wasn't part of the care team was canned and reported to the BON for HIPAA violations. There is no write-up procedure needed if a law was broken. It goes right to final steps. Hopefully you haven't had any kind of breach like that. Some very good nurses lost their jobs that day for a moment of curiosity.

I will be thinking good thoughts for you. Keep us updated. I also have been called in before to review data records and "testify", so to speak, as to certain factual components of chart breaching. I wasn't in trouble, just the content expert. It is possible you have been identified as a witness or content expert.

Its also possible your company is laying people off, though that seems unlikely in the current market.

Pixie.RN specializes in EMS, ED, Trauma, CNE, CEN, CPEN, TCRN.

It definitely sounds like a legal issue to me, but that is really based on nothing but a gut feeling. I hope everything turns out well!

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