"I do the same thing as an RN"

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Horseshoe, BSN, RN

5,879 Posts

I entered nursing school 32 years ago. I was encouraged to go for my RN as LPN's were 'being phased out.' Just as others have said ad nauseum this discussion has gone on for decades. The simple truth is that we are necessary and important parts of the patient's care team. Before entering nursing school I was a CNA and fully understand now how critical their role is in enabling me to complete my tour of duty. Likewise the LPN plays a critical role, what each person does is not the same but all are necessary.

They have been phased out in my area-in many hospitals. I think that's good information for any aspiring LPN to have, most certainly if they have visions of working in a hospital cath lab, ICU, tele unit, or basically any other place in many of the hospitals in my city. It's not denigrating the integrity or intelligence of an LPN to state the truth if that is the truth in a given market.

LPNs are not ever going to be phased out of health care in general. They are the backbone of LTC, just to name one area of specialty.

TiffyRN, BSN, PhD

2,315 Posts

Specializes in Nurse Scientist-Research.

It is area dependent. When I moved to my large metroplex, there were a couple of LVNs in the telemetry area and a smattering more on the medical floor, no new hires. When I moved to NICU, none. The large local children's hospital had allowed some of their long-time LVNs to transfer from NICU to special care nursery. But if they left, that was it. They could only be hired into the outpatient clinics or HHC.

I know it's regional and practice-specific but I haven't worked with an LVN in almost 15 years.

Anna Flaxis, BSN, RN

2 Articles; 2,816 Posts

Disclaimer: I am chiming in late, and I have not read any of the previous responses. I am replying to the original post.

All I will say is you are spot on!

niconicole

1 Post

Hello! I've actually been a CNA for two years now at a magnet hospital whilst going through nursing school. Where I'm from, this is very common. I now hold a BSN waiting to test for my RN (still a working NA though). Having this quantitative "nursing knowledge" while on the job as a NA has definitely made me perform better for patients and my team!

downsouthlaff, LPN

1 Article; 317 Posts

Specializes in Nursing Home.

Actually a lot of people are saying that LPNs don't do the same job as RNs but that statement may not be true. Actually in some LTCs depending on the resident needs sometimes the care the need can be completely carried out by an LPN because there scope allows them to do so. For example an intermediate nursing home that does not have IV residents of PICC residents. LPNs can carry out the complete care within there scope. Being that the job listing would be "LTC Floor Nurse LPN or RN" that job is an LTC floor Nurse and no matter if it's an LPN or RN there going to be doing the same job. A truer statement would be that LPNs and RNs don't have the same scope. There's no disputing that. But in some cases where extensive nursing skill is not required in areas like long term care and positions are open to both LPNs and RNs they may be doing the exact same job.

Saying that that you could do everything an RN does is not only inaccurate but it perpetuates the divide. Why not just say,you are a great nurse. You do your job well and you are needed and valued. My RNs need me and I need them.

Thank you for being a team player!! That is very important to me. I have never been a LPN but I have respect for LPNs and have worked with some very knowledgeable ones who have taught me tons.

LVN fresno

32 Posts

The hospital I worked at for 33 years has phased out the LVN's . I was so glad to get to retire before I was told at age 60 to find a new job.

downsouthlaff, LPN

1 Article; 317 Posts

Specializes in Nursing Home.

Again it's not a matter of LPNs not doing the same job as RNs. A better way to word it is RNs have a more extensive scope than LPNs and are permitted to do more through the BON. But saying that LPNs don't do the same "Job" as RNs is inaccurate. I can prove it.

"Charlie Brown Memorial Nursing & Retirement Center

2pm-10pm Floor Nurse needed. LPN or RN may apply"

The facility is looking for a floor nurse to admin meds, complete nurses notes, etc etc. This job is both within the practice of an LPN and RN. The job will not change with the qualification of the Nurse. Therefore In this situation an RN and LPN will do DRUMROLL " The same job".

Now an RN and LPN who work at a local ER will not do the same job. This is because different patient needs and different scopes. But there are some specialties in which an LPN an RN will do the same job depending on what the patients needs are and the the license the nurse holds.

WheresMyPen

129 Posts

The hospital I worked at for 33 years has phased out the LVN's . I was so glad to get to retire before I was told at age 60 to find a new job.

thats sad.. LPNS with so much experience should be grandfathered in

WheresMyPen

129 Posts

Again it's not a matter of LPNs not doing the same job as RNs. A better way to word it is RNs have a more extensive scope than LPNs and are permitted to do more through the BON. But saying that LPNs don't do the same "Job" as RNs is inaccurate. I can prove it.

"Charlie Brown Memorial Nursing & Retirement Center

2pm-10pm Floor Nurse needed. LPN or RN may apply"

The facility is looking for a floor nurse to admin meds, complete nurses notes, etc etc. This job is both within the practice of an LPN and RN. The job will not change with the qualification of the Nurse. Therefore In this situation an RN and LPN will do DRUMROLL " The same job".

Now an RN and LPN who work at a local ER will not do the same job. This is because different patient needs and different scopes. But there are some specialties in which an LPN an RN will do the same job depending on what the patients needs are and the the license the nurse holds.

Well lll that's pretty much what I meant. Different scopes.. Just didn't word it as well

WheresMyPen

129 Posts

I entered nursing school 32 years ago. I was encouraged to go for my RN as LPN's were 'being phased out.' Just as others have said ad nauseum this discussion has gone on for decades. The simple truth is that we are necessary and important parts of the patient's care team. Before entering nursing school I was a CNA and fully understand now how critical their role is in enabling me to complete my tour of duty. Likewise the LPN plays a critical role, what each person does is not the same but all are necessary.

never said we are being phased out or that any role isn't important. Just pointed out that the scopes are different and not interchangeable

smartnurse1982

1,775 Posts

I think this is such a hot button issue because of pay scales.

If Rn's and Lpn's in some areas like LTC do the same jobs,then is it fair one makes more than the other?

Should they get paid the same per hour?

Employment is also another factor,especially in areas with a nursing glut.

The question below was popular around the 2008 recession,and i even asked it myself,though at the time i had received the wrong answers.

If a job advertises for an Lpn only,can an RN apply and get the job?(since they both do the same job)

I was told the Rn would need an Lpn license,which i now know may be incorrect.

Why would the Rn need an Lpn license when the Rn has a higher scope?

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