"Fired for NO Reason"

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we often see threads with the title "fired for no reason," or "new grad harassed and fired" or something to that effect. and i always feel at least a little sympathy for the individual involved, if only because i can clearly see by reading between the lines of their self-justifying post that there was a reason for their termination, even if they just don't get it. (there are always a few posts every year from a new grad who is convinced that the reason she's not getting along with her co-workers is that she's just so beautiful they're all jealous, that crowds of mean people are following her around, that she's so wonderful she's going to rock the er or icu or nicu or or and no one sees her wonderfulness clearly, or that some mean, tired, old nurse who ought to retire and get out of the way is targeting her for no good reason.)

i worked with a new grad who was recently terminated for, as she puts it, totally bogus reasons. evidently seeing mine as a sympathetic ear, she went on and on and on about how unfair it was that management expected her to get her act together and actually understand what was going on with her patients. "i've got the time management thing down pat," she said. "i don't know what else they want. they're just picking on me for no good reason." i liked sal, i really did. she was interesting and entertaining and really, really nice. she was also smart, hard-working (when she was at work) and well-educated. but she didn't study outside of work, and really didn't understand what was going on with her patients. i participated in several meetings with her in which it was pointed out that it's not enough to do the tasks, you have to understand why you're doing them. it's not enough to draw the labs. you have to understand what the results mean and then address them. for instance, if the inr is 9, it might explain the nosebleed, the cherry red urine and the fact that the hemoglobin is now 6. giving the coumadin at 6pm as scheduled is not a good thing, even if you gave it right on time and were able to explain to the patient that "it's a blood thinner." i could go on and on.

i got a call from sal today, complaining that she knows she's blackballed for no good reason because she just can't get another job. she wanted me to give her a reference. did she just not get it?

all you new grads out there who are convinced that you're being picked on for no reason, that your more experienced colleagues are just out to get you, and that you're being unfairly targeting, harassed, or picked on, hear this: it may be something you're doing (or not doing) and all those "mean people" are trying to explain it to you so you catch on, learn your job and succeed. we all tried over and over with sal, and she still doesn't get it. are you guilty of the same thing? if your preceptor says you lack critical thinking skills, do you take it to heart, think about it and learn from it? or are you convinced that the entire issue is that she's jealous of your extreme good looks? if your charge nurse charges you with a deficit in your time management skills do you spend time figuring out where you could speed things up a bit? or do you dismiss her as a tired old dog who can't learn a new trick and ought to retire anyway? are you taking to heart and benefitting from any negative feedback you're getting, however poorly given it is? or are you obsessing about how "mean" that nurse was to you and totally overlooking the message?

i wish sal would have "gotten it." she would have been delightful to work with if she had. but right now she's focused on badmouthing her preceptors and the charge nurse, and she still doesn't understand what she did wrong. don't make the same mistakes.

What astounds me is that people insist a person can do well if enough/the right training is provided. While that is optimal there are still people that just will not work out.

I would suck as a hospital nurse most likely. I am smart and have many fine skills, and I am a really good nurse, but none of that means I will do a good job as an ICU nurse no matter what training is provided.

That's why it should be mandatory that all new grads spend, at least, one year on a M/S floor.:twocents: You know, I had that same thing said to me when I first started out and I didn't listen and went into the OR as my first job. It doesn't make for a well rounded nurse. You can have a nurse that spent their entire career in the OR and that nurse not be a really good nurse, from a technical standpoint, because they still don't know the basics of nursing. It can be done and is done everyday but it doesn't build a high quality nurse from the ground up. I spent two years as a nurse tech while in nursing school and was one of the few to acquire a job while in school. When we graduated, I was really proficient in all the basic pt. care routines and most of my class mates were still struggling with VITALS!!!! There's a proper way to build a career-I think the two yrs. as a tech may have saved me in my early struggles as an RN. These hospitals who hire new grads for the ICU are asking for trouble. MY father was passing away little over a year ago in the CCU in Atlanta and he had a new grad(Very obvious)taking care of him-She was being shadowed by a very good preceptor.:yeah:However, I did watch her very closely and made sure the proper things were being done. As far as that goes, I stayed close behind the residents also and kept them in check. He received excellent care overall before he passed but I was still very protective-I will note that I"m not one of those pestering kind of RN's or family members-I try to be helpful and stay low keyed. There's nothing worse than not being able to even get to the pt. because you're stepping over family members!!!!!:uhoh3::uhoh3:

Wow this post is scary to a nursing student! I hope to have a cheat sheet or cheat pocket book to help me in my first year of nursing . . but I'm also thankful that the hospital that has sponsored my education has has a 1 year "university" for new nurses to help break them in slowly.

You may have missed the part where the nurse in question is being trained in ICU ... trust me, you do NOT come out of school knowing how to work in critical care. As for being uncompensated, it's already costing the hospital major bucks to train her ... as in five figures ... where did you get the idea you should be paid to do the homework on top of it???

Nonsense. Those numbers are bull, and a major percentage of it is split between departments and written off. What's more, a lot of requirements are available on the hospital's Intranet, so they also save money that way.

I don't want idiots working in critical care either. Point is, there are tons of cut-throat b!Tches that are insecure and just plain miserable in themselves and their own lives. They like to feel all-powerful and in control and dominant, so they put their bull above supporting nurses that simply need some understanding and guidance--and they will especially eat those that are confident, bright, strong-minded and caring. If they're attractive, that can be another downside--except if the attractive newbie knows how to kiss azz really well and is unparalleled in playing games--then they tend to excel to the top. It's nauseating what happens. Everywhere you go, people that work with nurses in many areas come back and say "What are these nurses such cut-throat b!tches?" When you hear it and see it enough times, you know that there is truth in it. And I've been around it a long time, so I know that I know what I'm talking about. I'm just one of many good nurses that have decided that getting through advanced education is my only way out of swimming in cut-throat land. Yes, there is cut-throat mentalities elsewhere, however, I want my power of choice to limit it--it seems that only too often nurses are swimming in this viciousness. And if they aren't open about it, they simply get great at playing cut-throat games behind the scenes. It still goes on and on. As long as it looks OK on the service, management thinks all is well. I'd rather have a handful of honest people than tons of backstabbing, cut-throat, sneaky, insecure nurses working around me. Sadly, most of the managers are just as bad--they, afterall, set the tone--they just teach that it should be done with the appearance that all is well. Hell could be breaking out behind the scenes. As long as it all looks like no over conflict, they are happy. It's such utter BS.

Specializes in ER/EHR Trainer.

While I agree women can be viscious, I don't believe it is only nursing in which this occurs. They are trained throughout school to be evil and by evil mothers as they grow up! But as someone who has worked with men and has learned that at least women are evil in your face, men will trip you up quietly smiling all the while. However they do perform better as team members.

That being said, the money portion is very true. If my ER precepts a new grad for 22-25 weeks they are with another nurse. One salary is completely shot to hell, certifications, and classes also cost a fortune. How much is a round of PALs, BLS, ACLS, and ABLS worth? How about IV certification and trauma courses? I am not sure about 100K but am definitely sure of about 50K.

Maisy

Oh samadams I thought advancing my education would help me to rise above the pettiness and maybe make things better. Wow was I wrong. Thousands in debt and two degrees later I discover that it is actually worse the higher you go!!! More people trying to get your job, kick you to the curb, find fault, backstabbing middle and upper management that takes credit for everything you do, and people without degrees who resent you for having them.

Now I have 30 years of student loans that will never go away. I enjoyed the education but I cannot say it was worth it. I was happier as a lowly staff nurse where I was able to shine by being a "good nurse". Beware. There is a lot of conflict with a higher education and teaching is even worse. It is nearly impossible to get tenure and nursing instructors often float from job to job with little to show for it. I tried that route too. Find your niche area and focus on what you want to do with your worktime. What brings you joy? What can you tolerate? Advance your education for the joy of doing so, but don't count on it making your life better.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

i don't want idiots working in critical care either. point is, there are tons of cut-throat b!tches that are insecure and just plain miserable in themselves and their own lives. they like to feel all-powerful and in control and dominant, so they put their bull above supporting nurses that simply need some understanding and guidance--and they will especially eat those that are confident, bright, strong-minded and caring. if they're attractive, that can be another downside--except if the attractive newbie knows how to kiss azz really well and is unparalleled in playing games--then they tend to excel to the top. it's nauseating what happens. everywhere you go, people that work with nurses in many areas come back and say "what are these nurses such cut-throat b!tches?" when you hear it and see it enough times, you know that there is truth in it. and i've been around it a long time, so i know that i know what i'm talking about. i'm just one of many good nurses that have decided that getting through advanced education is my only way out of swimming in cut-throat land. yes, there is cut-throat mentalities elsewhere, however, i want my power of choice to limit it--it seems that only too often nurses are swimming in this viciousness. and if they aren't open about it, they simply get great at playing cut-throat games behind the scenes. it still goes on and on. as long as it looks ok on the service, management thinks all is well. i'd rather have a handful of honest people than tons of backstabbing, cut-throat, sneaky, insecure nurses working around me. sadly, most of the managers are just as bad--they, afterall, set the tone--they just teach that it should be done with the appearance that all is well. hell could be breaking out behind the scenes. as long as it all looks like no over conflict, they are happy. it's such utter bs.

i've been around a long time, too and i haven't seen these backstabbing, sneaking, nasty, insecure cut-throat ******* everywhere i go. i've seen a few, yes, but they're no where near as prevalent as you seem to think they are. this makes me think that some of it is in the eye of the beholder -- and to wonder what you did to **** off everyone around you everywhere you go.

Specializes in ER/EHR Trainer.
i've been around a long time, too and i haven't seen these backstabbing, sneaking, nasty, insecure cut-throat ******* everywhere i go. i've seen a few, yes, but they're no where near as prevalent as you seem to think they are. this makes me think that some of it is in the eye of the beholder -- and to wonder what you did to **** off everyone around you everywhere you go.

well said....maybe they are there....i guess i am old enough not to care!:D i think that may be the difference between being younger, rather than older upon entering nursing. i have been around and i am not willing to put up with crap from anyone! most young people don't have those chops yet...:)

maisy

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
i've been around a long time, too and i haven't seen these backstabbing, sneaking, nasty, insecure cut-throat ******* everywhere i go. i've seen a few, yes, but they're no where near as prevalent as you seem to think they are. this makes me think that some of it is in the eye of the beholder -- and to wonder what you did to **** off everyone around you everywhere you go.

sometimes i wonder if i am from a different planet reading these things. my managers ranged from very good to at worst, clueless. when i signed up for the now-defunct suny rn bridge program, they altered the schedule when i had to take an exam during the day. i'm also somewhat suspect of the "they hate you if you're attractive" thing. i was one of those attractive 20 yr. olds at a hospital teeming with interns and residents. it wasn't the"pretty" nurses that people resented. it was the transparently vain, self-centered and flirtatious nurses that made everyone want to throw up on their shoes. :barf01: they mistook people being annoyed by their cheesy behavior as annoyance with their awesome beau-tay. . .:)

Specializes in Med-surgical; telemetry; STROKE.
LOL@earle58

But on a more serious note, the last paragraph was not directed at the OP. I'm talking about preceptors in general there. I did point out that she used terms that made me question if she were using the right approach or not, but left it up to her to decide.

It was very obvious.

And about your post: well said.

I work with a young tech right now, and our employer is paying her way through nursing school. This girl is not going to be a good nurse, and I hope I never have to work with her if she does become a nurse.

When I first started, she and others told me stories of how hard the unit mgr was on her, and I felt bad for her. I went out of my way to be nice.

Although the mgr has been very inappropriate w/ her anger at this girl, I now understand it.

She is just plain lazy. She has to be told over and over again to do her duties. Then, each new day, it is somehow all gone from her head, and she has to be told again.

She was taking extra long breaks. I now require her to come tell me before she goes to break so I can moniter the time.

Employees have to punch out if they leave the building at break, and she has to be told this each time. If I tell her today, she will leave without punching out tomorrow.

She is like a two year old who has to be told over and over again each day what to do and what not to do.

She can often be found texting or IMing on the net when her co-workers are hard at work.

However, when asked to do anything extra she will whine like a little kid "It's not fair!"

Dealing with this girl is wearing me down- she's worse than having an extra pt.

Finally, I had to talk to the hated boss about her. I didn't want to do it. I really resent having to be put in the position to do so- I don't like the boss either, and I try to avoid her when I can.

I know that now that I've spoken to the dreaded boss about her, this girl will see me as the bad guy- it will be all my fault.

She totally will not get it that she has any responsibility for anything.

If this girl would just be an adult, it would save everyone a lot of time and trouble.

I agree. But there are all kinds of different nurses out there, nurses that just made it through school and might have gotten lucky on passing and nurses that really studied so they can know what is really going on with their patient. Also, nurses who love being nurses and nurses who just want to get paid.

Specializes in ER/EHR Trainer.

Right person in the right job....a hospice nurse may not be suited for the ER and visa versa.....we all have our niches.....

Bad workers are just that.....

Specializes in ICU, MS, Radiology, Long term care.

After reading most of these posts it is obvious that there are different perspectives. I find it interesting that compassion is a 'requirement' for being a good nurse, but I have trouble finding it in some of these posts. No doubt there is an educational, learning and attitude deficit, but on which end? Practicing mindfulness, compassion and willingness is sometimes difficult. It is sometimes difficult to remember nursing is a team effort. Communication is essential to good care. Is this an example that nurses eat their young?

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