"Fired for NO Reason"

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we often see threads with the title "fired for no reason," or "new grad harassed and fired" or something to that effect. and i always feel at least a little sympathy for the individual involved, if only because i can clearly see by reading between the lines of their self-justifying post that there was a reason for their termination, even if they just don't get it. (there are always a few posts every year from a new grad who is convinced that the reason she's not getting along with her co-workers is that she's just so beautiful they're all jealous, that crowds of mean people are following her around, that she's so wonderful she's going to rock the er or icu or nicu or or and no one sees her wonderfulness clearly, or that some mean, tired, old nurse who ought to retire and get out of the way is targeting her for no good reason.)

i worked with a new grad who was recently terminated for, as she puts it, totally bogus reasons. evidently seeing mine as a sympathetic ear, she went on and on and on about how unfair it was that management expected her to get her act together and actually understand what was going on with her patients. "i've got the time management thing down pat," she said. "i don't know what else they want. they're just picking on me for no good reason." i liked sal, i really did. she was interesting and entertaining and really, really nice. she was also smart, hard-working (when she was at work) and well-educated. but she didn't study outside of work, and really didn't understand what was going on with her patients. i participated in several meetings with her in which it was pointed out that it's not enough to do the tasks, you have to understand why you're doing them. it's not enough to draw the labs. you have to understand what the results mean and then address them. for instance, if the inr is 9, it might explain the nosebleed, the cherry red urine and the fact that the hemoglobin is now 6. giving the coumadin at 6pm as scheduled is not a good thing, even if you gave it right on time and were able to explain to the patient that "it's a blood thinner." i could go on and on.

i got a call from sal today, complaining that she knows she's blackballed for no good reason because she just can't get another job. she wanted me to give her a reference. did she just not get it?

all you new grads out there who are convinced that you're being picked on for no reason, that your more experienced colleagues are just out to get you, and that you're being unfairly targeting, harassed, or picked on, hear this: it may be something you're doing (or not doing) and all those "mean people" are trying to explain it to you so you catch on, learn your job and succeed. we all tried over and over with sal, and she still doesn't get it. are you guilty of the same thing? if your preceptor says you lack critical thinking skills, do you take it to heart, think about it and learn from it? or are you convinced that the entire issue is that she's jealous of your extreme good looks? if your charge nurse charges you with a deficit in your time management skills do you spend time figuring out where you could speed things up a bit? or do you dismiss her as a tired old dog who can't learn a new trick and ought to retire anyway? are you taking to heart and benefitting from any negative feedback you're getting, however poorly given it is? or are you obsessing about how "mean" that nurse was to you and totally overlooking the message?

i wish sal would have "gotten it." she would have been delightful to work with if she had. but right now she's focused on badmouthing her preceptors and the charge nurse, and she still doesn't understand what she did wrong. don't make the same mistakes.

It makes me sad to hear about these nurses that dont get it that manage to have jobs where there are some of us who are hard working, self-directed and teachable who aren't finding any jobs, much less jobs where we get the support and instruction invested into some of the examples I have read here.

I know that this is a bit off the thread here, but the comments I read make me think also about the nurses have been nurses forever (not trying to indicate anyone here at all, just going off of my own experiences), and have gotten plain lazy and manipulative, and work harder to run the young, new, naive nurse to death just to get out of her own work.

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that someone who is not willing to take responsibility for "not getting it", after multiple attempts at training her, should be relocated or fired, to allow room for new grads that do get it and want to work.

I cannot count the number of times, as a new nurse, that responsibilities have been shoved off on me because I didn't want to seem insubordinate, unwilling to learn, or lazy. Or just because they could get away with it.

Bottom line is, personal accountibility isn't what it used to be.

I have so much appreciated the nurses who were willing to teach me something, or take the extra step to show me how so that I didn't ask how the next time. They have truly been my angels, and have made the difference of whether or not I stayed in nursing. I have learned much from all of you here, and I thank you.:bowingpur

But in general, from what I've seen, the culture of nursing and how we treat each other is a shame, really a shame.:o

mea culpa...

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leslie

Specializes in Psych.
The microcosm of nursing that this post presents, illustrates how useful allnurses.com is for us all to take a better look at ourselves, our working environments, and others with whom we work......That's the problem for graduates of 2 year AA proigrams, more than 4 year grads, possibly - yet they're clumped together in the workaday world and expected to fly in unison.

Actually, I believe my ADN program offers another semester of clinical preceptorship if you're terminated for cluelessness, but I could be wrong.

Specializes in Hospice.
Uncompensated homework? Just another reason why this is a crappy job that no one wants to do.

I know about personal responsibility. Whatever happens, it's the nurse's fault. End of story. (Don't you love nursing?)

You may have missed the part where the nurse in question is being trained in ICU ... trust me, you do NOT come out of school knowing how to work in critical care. As for being uncompensated, it's already costing the hospital major bucks to train her ... as in five figures ... where did you get the idea you should be paid to do the homework on top of it???

Specializes in OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI.

Lawyers do homework, and are compensated for it......

It seems that "firstyearstudent" has some doubts about his/her choice of profession. Hating the milieu in which you intend to work, isn't a good way to begin. You may want to reevaluate your reasons for your choice. Up to you, of course.

Specializes in OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI.
Lamazeteacher-- I remember that book! It is a classic. I always remember that chapter, "Let's You and Him Fight". I also recommend to people the book "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. That phrase has become a corny cliche, but the book is actually very good!!

I grew up with Dale Carnegie, as my parents were very involved in that organization, practised their "talks" constantly, and inspired me to take up public speaking. It saved my dad from a mundane existance, to a very special place in society, traveling all over the country (Canada) as President of the Dale Carnegie organization there. It rescued my mom from her doldrums, elevating her moods (she inherited chronic severe depression from her dad, and I have it too -but have the advantage of the new antidepressants).

I'd forgotten the chapter you mentioned, have to re-read it. I did take a weekend workshop on "How to Fight Fair", given by the author of a book by that name (whose name escapes me at the moment, and my book collection is in transit to a new niche). That was the first anger management book. Going to that was a life transforming experience. :yeah:

You may have missed the part where the nurse in question is being trained in ICU ... trust me, you do NOT come out of school knowing how to work in critical care. As for being uncompensated, it's already costing the hospital major bucks to train her ... as in five figures ... where did you get the idea you should be paid to do the homework on top of it???

Exactly! School no where near prepared me for my job as an ICU nurse. You HAVE to study on your own! I had to study my butt off on my own time for my dysrhythmia (sp?) test. I passed it on the FIRST try. I also had to study for my EKG class which is a pre-req to ACLS. Every morning I come home and review things that I've seen at work.

I work with a nurse who's been in the ICU for over 20 years and she STILL studies.

Specializes in psych. rehab nursing, float pool.
you haven't read the entire thread, so you have no idea what has been said and what hasn't been said. this thread isn't about someone who's having difficulty adjusting to a new job. this is about someone who, despite multiple "second chances" just isn't getting it and doesn't even get that they don't get it. this is about someone who has had multiple mentors who all end up saying exactly the same thing. "she's so clueless she doesn't even know she's clueless." someone who re-took the critical care test three times and still flunked it.

but why am i wasting my time? if you'd read the thread, you'd know that.

ruby, i agree with you one hundred precent. i have been in nursing for over 30 years . i have worked at my current job for 10 years . i still at times do so called homework on my off time. there is not possibly enough time while on the clock to do it. personally i do not mind it. it is for my benefit and the patients i care for to be willing to put in my own time to learn new things, or to learn how to look at something differently.

this whole thinking that unless paid to do something they won't do it is riduculous in my own opinion. if i manage to fail at something, i consider it my own fault. not someone elses. i do believe it is why i have been successful in my career choice.

when wrong i appreciate the person who is willing to take the risk to point it out to me. i am not too old to learn new ways, better ways. or to change with the times.

i do not feel anything was ever handed to me. i had to work hard, learn smarter, and learn quickly at times. it benefits me and those around me.

perhaps it is easy for me to say as i have never been fired. or is it the reason i have not ever been fired. chicken or the egg i guess

off my soap box.

Specializes in Emergency Room.

I am a new graduate who has recently been told that my critical thinking skills are not developing fast enough and I am at risk for loosing my job if they do not improve. I am about 2 mths into the 5mth new grad program. I respect my "old dog" preceptors who have seen fit to essentially leave me own my own, they satallite in my general area and I report to them what we have, what Ive done what I plan to do ect. Rarely are they by my side but are not far away if I need them.

I have been complimented by them ,the MD'S, the charge nurses & my patients(who dont know I am a new RN). The problem... when It comes to progress meetings I am told my preceptors feel like they cannot leave me alone and that Im not 'where they would like me to be". I am confused... I openly welcome constructive criticism, want to learn...

I was under the impression I was doing well, and untill the meeting I have not been given reason to think otherwise... any tips or suggestions on how to procede successfully would be appreciated. Thank you.

mea culpa...

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leslie

Uncompensated homework? Just another reason why this is a crappy job that no one wants to do.

I know about personal responsibility. Whatever happens, it's the nurse's fault. End of story. (Don't you love nursing?)

The thing I hate most about nursing is the culture of blame.

i had responded to firstyearstudent's posts (impusively?), thus the reason for my above post.

once i read her subsequent posts (as noted above), i felt that maybe she was being facetious about being compensated for homework...

and so, wasn't to be taken seriously.

but reading other responses to her, i am confused as to if she was joking or not.

what i will say, is 9 times out of 10, nurses will go home and voluntarily review stuff from work...

especially new nurses, i would think.

goodness knows after i got my 1st job, i'd end up knee-deep in studying/reviewing, because i wanted to feel more confident in my (new) job.

and so, for those who don't feel inclined to go home and study/review, some employers are mandating this homework, since some are not naturally inclined to do so.

for those who feel they should be paid to do this, i say you shouldn't have been hired in the first place...

since you are not instinctively aspiring to the highest standards of care.

anyways, firstyearstudent, if you were joking around, i apologize for the 'lecture'.

but in the event you were being earnest, it is important for you to learn that attitudes can make you or break you in the workplace.

and the attitude of entitlement of "i should be paid"...

not a productive attitude to have.:twocents:

happy new year, everyone!

may blessings be abundant.:balloons:

leslie

leslie

Specializes in Psych.
I am a new graduate who has recently been told that my critical thinking skills are not developing fast enough and I am at risk for loosing my job if they do not improve. .....

This is going to sound stupid, because it's not like you don't have enough to do starting a new job.... but pick up a book of logic problems (about 4 bucks from the magazine rack), and start with the easy ones... build your way up. This is, hands down, the easiest way to build deductive reasoning skills (critical thinking).

When I'm done with school, I swear I'm going to write a book of nursing logic problems for students. :)

Good luck!

This is going to sound stupid, because it's not like you don't have enough to do starting a new job.... but pick up a book of logic problems (about 4 bucks from the magazine rack), and start with the easy ones... build your way up. This is, hands down, the easiest way to build deductive reasoning skills (critical thinking).

When I'm done with school, I swear I'm going to write a book of nursing logic problems for students. :)

Good luck!

lolololol, i have thought of making the same suggestion, but never dared.....suduko wouldnt be bad either.....but yes, logic puzzles/problems will sharpen up the brain.....

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