Pts handpicking assignments, and refusing nurses of opposite gender?

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I'm an old lurker, new poster around here. Although I work in s specialty I'm posting this here because I think it applies to most nursing areas. This is a partial vent and partial request for input. How do you respond when female pts (or their families) refuse to have male nurses/aides involved in their care? Recently on my floor, we have had multiple (usually elderly) women refuse male nurses. If they can't speak, often the family says the same thing. Ditto with not wanting men involved in foley placements or hygiene care, transfers to bathroom/commode, etc.

Often, these patients are obese, require multiple staff for hygiene care, etc.

While I certainly understand the embarrassment they feel, I have never, ever, not once had a male pt insist on male caregivers. (Some say that men enjoy female attention, and this may be true for a few, but most seem just as embarrassed as the women. However, whether there are just so many more women than men in nursing that they haven't had the option enough to think to ask, or whether they just think of it more as a professionak relationship, I have never in 10+ years had an adult male ask for male only caregivers.)

There are some nurses on my floor who will move heaven and earth, make assignments that make no sense and try to do full bed changes on 500 pound women with diarrhea themselves because of these requests. Most don't even try to reassure the pt and see if they can work it out first, they believe these women have "a right" to choose the gender of their nurses. Personally, I think that preferences can be taken into account but not guaranteed, particularly when no one makes any effort to give male nurses to male pts. When there are only 3-4 staff on a busy floor and 2 are men, often you gotta use at least one man to help with the total care pts. And I see nothing wrong with using the same reassurance on the women than we use on the men, ie that we are licensed PROFESSIONALS doing our job, etc. (Not to mention that I.do believe facilities with CMS accreditation cannot be discriminatory when hiring, including gender discrimination)

In a similar vein, what do you do when pts do the "I only want nurse x, if she's not here then nurse y. And I hate nurses r, s, t, l, n and e and refuse to have then involved in my care." Occasionally one of the shunned nurses has done or said something worthy of a complaint, but I have heard reasons as benign as "when we asked if she worked days all she said was yes, and we don't like one word.answers."

So what are your thoughts? Does this happen frequently in your facility? Does the gender exclusion tend to always be female pts, like at my unit? Any strategies to resolve the gender concern without totally messing up continuity of care for others, not to mention throwing the fairness of assignments off balance. And do you allow pts to hand pick staff and to ban staff for any reason at all? Our admin is all about pt satisfaction, so often we just have to deal, but it feels unfair to allow a few pts to dictate the assignments. Or maybe I'm just a jerk. Thoughts? Suggestions?

I'm biting my tongue here because patients do have the absolute right to refuse care for whatever reason, BUT its impossible to move towards an equal society if we treat "preferences" as anything other than sexism, racism, homophobia, etc. The practice should be frowned upon unashamedly.

If it's an issue like sexism etc., then it should be discouraged. I once had a client who wanted me to cancel his appointment with a female NP because he wanted a man--he admitted that he thought men were more knowledgable in the medical field. I gently informed him that his assumptions were false and that I would not call to switch his appointments.

Sometimes it really is not sexism though. I was raised in a very conservative home, and for a while I also felt uncomfortable with male gynecologists and such (though I never refused a male healthcare professional). It's not sexism, but rather an issue of modesty. It took a while to get that out of my head, and so I can empathize with patients who feel the same.

Before I was in healthcare, I preferred female only caregivers. I grew up in North Carolina, which is still very paternalistic. There is a large power imbalance between men and women, especially in rural areas like the one I grew up in. As a female, I was more likely to be listened to by a female provider and less likely to be coerced into treatment I didn't want.

Also, I grew up in a very modest religion. I'm still surprised my Dad let me wear pants.

And, finally, I was molested as a child and later on had my trust abused by a male physician. It took a long while to let a man near those parts again.

So, keep in mind there are many good reasons for women to only want women caregivers. Blowing it off as sexism is short-sighted and narrow-minded.

Although, I have to admit, a lot of my female relatives want only males, especially if they're cute. Bunch of horndogs...

I think it is so wrong in so many ways. I can maybe see it in rare, RARE, cases....a religiously strict Muslim female allowing only female staff.

But otherwise it is wrong. People can learn, change, grow at any stage of their lives. And what better time to learn acceptance and tolerance than when ill and in need of help. Learn that a burly black man can be more gentle, give better care, than a white female. Learn that a Muslim can give better care than a Christian, learn that a homosexual can give better care than a straight male.

Yet, let someone request an all white staff for their care or no homosexuals and see the amount of disgust aimed at the patient. When you come to the hospital you get what you get. You can try and accommodate to the best of your abilities but sometimes the demands can be unreasonable or unobtainable.

Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
I think it is so wrong in so many ways. I can maybe see it in rare, RARE, cases....a religiously strict Muslim female allowing only female staff..

In many areas of the country, it's not that rare. Where I live, it's fairly common actually.

Specializes in Critical care.
In many areas of the country, it's not that rare. Where I live, it's fairly common actually.

What if the staff were all male?

I also work with many female Muslim patients. God know why....but none of them have ever requested female staff only. Their surgeons have often been Muslim males....do they demand female doctors also?

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
I also work with many female Muslim patients. God know why....but none of them have ever requested female staff only. Their surgeons have often been Muslim males....do they demand female doctors also?

The Muslim world is huge and diverse. Some come here from the educated classes and others arrive with no education. They vary from no outward expressions of fundamentalism to hijab. I'm not surprised that people find out differences across the US. It depends a lot on where the Muslims come from in your community. Here in the USA, we have our own fundamentalist fringe groups and they have their own sets of taboos. Why can't we all just be spiritual?.....It would be so much easier..

Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
What if the staff were all male?

In OB? Not even remotely likely.

Specializes in Nurse Leader specializing in Labor & Delivery.
I also work with many female Muslim patients. God know why....but none of them have ever requested female staff only. Their surgeons have often been Muslim males....do they demand female doctors also?

In OB/Gyn, yes. Luckily the vast majority of our physicians are female. The ones I've known, I know that if there absolutely was no other option, they would accept a male. But if we can accommodate them, why wouldn't we?

If a patients requests can be reasonably accommodated I think that is fine. However the original post mentioned a busy unit with 2 female and 2 male nurses.....not easy to accommodate patients request for only female nurses. Or an obese female refusing male help with transferring or assistance to the bathroom....dangerous for the female nurses and the patient.

I love to bend the rules when it comes to accommodating the patient if it is safe and reasonable. If our unit is slow, if there is room, I let all the patients family and friends come back to visit....our policy is one or two visitors at a time.

I think it is so wrong in so many ways. I can maybe see it in rare, RARE, cases....a religiously strict Muslim female allowing only female staff.

But otherwise it is wrong. People can learn, change, grow at any stage of their lives. And what better time to learn acceptance and tolerance than when ill and in need of help. Learn that a burly black man can be more gentle, give better care, than a white female. Learn that a Muslim can give better care than a Christian, learn that a homosexual can give better care than a straight male.

It's fine for you to have these ideals for yourself, but other people have their own life experiences and realities, and, noble as these ideas are, they are not acceptable for many people.

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