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Just wondering how the pro lifers feel about this?

7 years old and I wonder how much happiness she was able to accumulate? 

I personally think that children until the age of thirteen should only be allowed to be children and play to their hearts content with some structure for education etc. 

I wonder how many opportunities this little girl had to do that and who should bear the responsibility? 

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15 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Is your comment "I wonder what causes you to feel that way" in reference of me sharing that I at one time made that choice? If it is, that is a new low for you. 

You claim to champion for women's rights, so empathetic  and you just made a comment suggesting that I felt that way when I made my choice?? When I made clear it still affects me today? Really??? 

That my own experience was no big deal that's why I would say that?  

Your sudo kind inclusive  demrat tail is showing. You shown your true colors TMB but I think the substance isn't baloney that you are made of.

Wow. 

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1 hour ago, Cclm said:

Is your comment "I wonder what causes you to feel that way" in reference of me sharing that I at one time made that choice? If it is, that is a new low for you. 

You claim to champion for women's rights, so empathetic  and you just made a comment suggesting that I felt that way when I made my choice?? 

Of course it's not a reference to a personal choice about abortion.  It's a reference to our conversation about late term abortions, what that means, and why people are inflamed about the topic.  I'm wondering why you think it's a "no big deal birth" control choice...as you said. 

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1 hour ago, Cclm said:

 

Your sudo kind inclusive  demrat tail is showing. You shown your true colors TMB but I think the substance isn't baloney that you are made of.

Wow. 

I have no idea what this addition to your comment means.  I have no idea why you have decided that I am referencing your personal choices rather than the words you are posting about abortion and the things that you think about it.  

Perhaps you are the one showing true colors...

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8 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I have no idea what this addition to your comment means.  I have no idea why you have decided that I am referencing your personal choices rather than the words you are posting about abortion and the things that toy think about it.  

Perhaps you are the one showing true colors...

Yeah right. Play koi, you're not as smart as you think you are. Tipical not standing behind you insinuated disguised comment. 

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4 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Yeah right. Play koi, you're not as smart as you think you are. Tipical not standing behind you insinuated disguised comment. 

What does this mean? 

We're talking about abortion, right? Didn't you say that it was "no big deal" ... at least for some people?  Why do you think that?

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2 hours ago, Cclm said:

Yeah right. Play koi, you're not as smart as you think you are. Tipical not standing behind you insinuated disguised comment. 

1. The word you’re looking for is “coy”. Koi is a species of fish.

2. Your personal attacks on TMB are against TOS. It seems to be your go-to tactic for attempted intimidation of someone who questions you.

3. “Insinuated disguised comment”? Really? Project much?

4. Once again, if early induction for medical reasons is not elective abortion, why did you bring it up in a thread about reproductive rights? Can you name any instance of early induction being used as primary birth control in the absence of severe medical issues?

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On 9/28/2021 at 2:59 PM, Cclm said:

There is a difference between elective abortion and induction of early labor. 

There is no medical indication to stop the fetal heartbeat before removing the fetus. 

The only reason the heart beat would be stopped is if possibly the pregnancy is being terminated because of defect and would cause suffering of the fetus when born. Or the fetus is not wanted. 

All the risk to mothers listed here are the same as a woman wanting her pregnancy but has to deliver because of the risk to her health/life. 

Any procedure that stops the fetal heartbeat before the fetus is removed has nothing to do with risk to life or health. 

Stopping a fetal heartbeat has no health or life preserving indication for the mother. 

If mothers life is at risk, remove the baby absolutely. 

 

I've had a large number of patients, at this point probably over 100 who had a heartbeat but were considered dead both spiritually and legally, you're saying they were all technically alive.  Tell me more...

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12 hours ago, MunoRN said:

I've had a large number of patients, at this point probably over 100 who had a heartbeat but were considered dead both spiritually and legally, you're saying they were all technically alive.  Tell me more...

So the mother was dead on life support or something? ? If you think that I'm saying do not remove the fetus if the woman is dead, that is something completely different and wouldn't fall under abortion in the context we are discussing. 

That would be a choice between the Dr and the father/family. 

When I speak of heartbeat it's fetal heartbeat not mothers heartbeat. 

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14 hours ago, heron said:

1. The word you’re looking for is “coy”. Koi is a species of fish.

2. Your personal attacks on TMB are against TOS. It seems to be your go-to tactic for attempted intimidation of someone who questions you.

3. “Insinuated disguised comment”? Really? Project much?

4. Once again, if early induction for medical reasons is not elective abortion, why did you bring it up in a thread about reproductive rights? Can you name any instance of early induction being used as primary birth control in the absence of severe medical issues?

Correct my spelling. That always proves the point. 

TMB has attacked me and several others on here, although I usually do not retaliate, I felt this was a special case. 

I brought it up because it bring into the question of what is the law is trying to pass. Why does it open up abortion in later pregnancy if the law is saying for health and life? That's already in practice. 

So perhaps we have to ask the writers of the law what does late term abortion has to do with reproductive rights when we already have interventions for cases where the mothers life/health is at risk? 

I feel uneasy as to what "risk to health is"?. Is it anything any woman could say is a risk to her health? Anything she says? 

Changed my mind, baby father left? Etc 

It is too vague. 

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17 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

What does this mean? 

We're talking about abortion, right? Didn't you say that it was "no big deal" ... at least for some people?  Why do you think that?

If you honestly did not mean what you said in the context I took it, then I owe you an apology. 

This topic is personal to me and as I said, my choice effects me everyday. You got me, I was being emotional. 

I should not have lashed outt at you without clarification. . I usually take your comments with a grain of salt as I have concluded it is your style and most likely not intended to be mean or hurt someone's feelings in a cruel way. 

I should not have reacted like that, I was wrong and I am sorry. 

P.s: if you really did mean it that way, I redact my apology LOL ?wink ?

I will try and delete it when I figure out how. 

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38 minutes ago, Cclm said:

So the mother was dead on life support or something? ? If you think that I'm saying do not remove the fetus if the woman is dead, that is something completely different and wouldn't fall under abortion in the context we are discussing. 

That would be a choice between the Dr and the father/family. 

When I speak of heartbeat it's fetal heartbeat not mothers heartbeat. 

You missed the point.  In human medicine a heart beat is not always considered evidence of life, it's evidence of cardiac activity.

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You missed the point.  In human medicine a heart beat is not always considered evidence of life, it's evidence of cardiac activity.

Okay. I see now. So this applies to a fetus? Even so, if an emergency intervention needs to take place for moms health/safety, it's really a non issue, unless the point is to deliberately end the viability of the fetus but that's different from emergency intervention. 

I don't understand a need for a bill that permits late term abortion for mom health/safety when that's already practiced. So why make a law saying as such unless it to facilitate a unwanted pregnancy( ending a pregnancy late in pregnancy for reasons other than mom /health/safety).. All arguments I hear for late term abortions refers to life/safety to mom. Not unwanted pregnancy for any reason. 

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