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Just wondering how the pro lifers feel about this?

7 years old and I wonder how much happiness she was able to accumulate? 

I personally think that children until the age of thirteen should only be allowed to be children and play to their hearts content with some structure for education etc. 

I wonder how many opportunities this little girl had to do that and who should bear the responsibility? 

[toomuchbaloney]

40 minutes ago, Cclm said:

That situation would be evident most likely in the first trimester. Again, in late pregnancy, the baby would be delivered early so I don't see why a law for abortion in later pregnancy when there is already interventions that happen for that. 

If people think it's a woman's choice to terminate pregnancy at any stage for any reason, then just say so. 

If a woman want to abort in her 7 month should it be her choice? Or 6 or 9 months? 

 

The medical world is not limited to your narrow personal knowledge or experience.  

You have some feelings and not much else.  I'm not certain that you understand this issue at all, in fact your continued remarks make that seem very likely.  

It's not my job to try to educate you when you seem uninterested in the facts. 

[toomuchbaloney]

41 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Right. So a woman should have the choice to terminate her pregnancy late in pregnancy just because she wants to. This is what you are saying correct? 

And this is what the woman's protection act is saying as well. 

No, that's not what my comment says at all.  

I have the distinct impression that you are being disingenuous in this discussion.  I'm disengaging.  

Before I do disengage, yes, women should have the autonomy to make their own reproductive health choices within the confines of Roe v Wade. 

[Cclm, LPN]

6 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The medical world is not limited to your narrow personal knowledge or experience.  

You have some feelings and not much else.  I'm not certain that you understand this issue at all, in fact your continued remarks make that seem very likely.  

It's not my job to try to educate you when you seem uninterested in the facts. 

You rarely have facts. Or think what you say is facts because you say them....

[heron, ASN, RN]

7 hours ago, Cclm said:

You rarely have facts. Or think what you say is facts because you say them....

How so?

[chare]

7 hours ago, Cclm said:

13 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

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It's not my job to try to educate you when you seem uninterested in the facts. 

You rarely have facts. Or think what you say is facts because you say them....

I am unsure how you came to this confusion, and have to disagree with you on this.  While I often disagree with him, I have always found his posts to be  well written and well sourced.

[Cclm, LPN]

4 hours ago, chare said:

I am unsure how you came to this confusion, and have to disagree with you on this.  While I often disagree with him, I have always found his posts to be  well written and well sourced.

Okay fair enough. The issue is he thinks his opinion is fact and is very intolerant of different opinions. I converse with him in other threads as well. I didn't have time to finish my post last night. 

[Cclm, LPN]

12 hours ago, Cclm said:

You rarely have facts. Or think what you say is facts because you say them....

 

12 hours ago, Cclm said:

You rarely have facts. Or think what you say is facts because you say them....

Let me expand. You have no tolerance for different opnions. I also find it interesting that a man would come to a thread discussing women's health and you try to devalue their opinion. You will never experience how it feels to choose that choice or not choose it. There is feeling involved! You have been unable to answer my questions, you have no empathy as a man and you should disengage. I agree with that!! 

18 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

No, that's not what my comment says at all.  

I have the distinct impression that you are being disingenuous in this discussion.  I'm disengaging.  

Before I do disengage, yes, women should have the autonomy to make their own reproductive health choices within the confines of Roe v Wade. 

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  19 hours ago, Cclm said:

That situation would be evident most likely in the first trimester. Again, in late pregnancy, the baby would be delivered early so I don't see why a law for abortion in later pregnancy when there is already interventions that happen for that. 

If people think it's a woman's choice to terminate pregnancy at any stage for any reason, then just say so. 

If a woman want to abort in her 7 month should it be her choice? Or 6 or 9 months? 

 

The medical world is not limited to your narrow personal knowledge or experience.  

You have some feelings and not much else.  I'm not certain that you understand this issue at all, in fact your continued remarks make that seem very likely.  

It's not my job to try to educate you when you seem uninterested in the facts. 

 

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toomuchbaloney  

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18 hours ago

  19 hours ago, Cclm said:

Right. So a woman should have the choice to terminate her pregnancy late in pregnancy just because she wants to. This is what you are saying correct? 

And this is what the woman's protection act is saying as well. 

No, that's not what my comment says at all.  

I have the distinct impression that you are being disingenuous in this discussion.  I'm disengaging.  

Before I do disengage, yes, women should have the autonomy to make their own reproductive health choices within the confines of Roe v Wade. 

 

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Cclm, LPN  

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  18 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The medical world is not limited to your narrow personal knowledge or experience.  

You have some feelings and not much else.  I'm not certain that you understand this issue at all, in fact your continued remarks make that seem very likely.  

It's not my job to try to educate you when you seem uninterested in the facts. 

You rarely have facts. Or think what you say is facts because you say them....

 

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heron, ASN, RN   

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  12 hours ago, Cclm said:

You rarely have facts. Or think what you say is facts because you say them....

How so?

 

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chare   

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  12 hours ago, Cclm said:

  18 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

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It's not my job to try to educate you when you seem uninterested in the facts. 

You rarely have facts. Or think what you say is facts because you say them....

I am unsure how you came to this confusion, and have to disagree with you on this.  While I often disagree with him, I have always found his posts to be  well written and well sourced.

 

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Cclm, LPN  

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  4 hours ago, chare said:

I am unsure how you came to this confusion, and have to disagree with you on this.  While I often disagree with him, I have always found his posts to be  well written and well sourced.

Okay fair enough. The issue is he thinks his opinion is fact and is very intolerant of different opinions. I converse with him in other threads as well. I didn't have time to finish my post last night. 

 

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Cclm, LPN  

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  12 hours ago, Cclm said:

You rarely have facts. Or think what you say is facts because you say them....

 

  12 hours ago, Cclm said:

You rarely have facts. Or think what you say is facts because you say them....

Let me expand. You have no tolerance for different opnions. I also find it interesting that a man would come to a thread discussing women's health and you try to devalue their opinion. You will never experience how it feels to choose that choice or not choose it. There is feeling involved! You have been unable to answer my questions, you have no empathy as a man and you should disengage. I agree with that!! 

 

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[chare]

10 minutes ago, Cclm said:

Let me expand. You have no tolerance for different opnions. I also find it interesting that a man would come to a thread discussing women's health and you try to devalue their opinion. You will never experience how it feels to choose that choice or not choose it. There is feeling involved! You have been unable to answer my questions, you have no empathy as a man and you should disengage. I agree with that!! 

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What are you trying to say here?

[Cclm, LPN]

26 minutes ago, chare said:

What are you trying to say here?

That was for TMB. For whatever reason it post my replies under the wrong person when I use mobile.  

Not intended for you. My apologies.  I find your replies respectful and considerate . Please disregard the previous post. It was for TMB

 

[heron, ASN, RN]

OK, I think I get it now. I was confused as to why so much time was being spent discussing post-viability terminations. It goes back to what the forced pregnancy advocates fondly believe to be the ultimate gotcha: if you’re going to have legal elective abortion on demand,  why stop at 24 weeks? Why not make it legal up until full term? They fondly believe that arguing against late term abortion will invalidate any justification for elective abortion on demand, regardless of when  it occurs.

I’m still waiting to see specific examples of post-viability abortions being performed because the woman just doesn’t want to bear a child. Nor have I seen the law, either proposed or enacted, that legalizes such a procedure for such a reason.

Classic straw man. As I understand Roe v Wade, the court held that prior to the point of viability of the fetus, the state has no compelling interest in dictating a woman’s private healthcare decisions.

At the time, 24 weeks was the best estimate of when life outside the uterus was most likely possible for most fetuses, thus making a fetus an independent person separate from the mother.

The court did  not address the various religious dogmas that a fetus is an independent person from conception because the state has no right to enshrine a particular religious dogma into civil law.

[toomuchbaloney]

14 minutes ago, heron said:

OK, I think I get it now. I was confused as to why so much time was being spent discussing post-viability terminations. It goes back to what the forced pregnancy advocates fondly believe to be the ultimate gotcha: if you’re going to have legal elective abortion on demand,  why stop at 24 weeks? Why not make it legal up until full term? They fondly believe that arguing against late term abortion will invalidate any justification for elective abortion on demand, regardless of when  it occurs.

I’m still waiting to see specific examples of post-viability abortions being performed because the woman just doesn’t want to bear a child. Nor have I seen the law that legalized such a procedure for such a reason.

Classic straw man.

Indeed.  The intention seemed obvious.  

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The hypocrisy of republicans caring about life!

I really don't think I need to say much except which party is it that's pro-life until the child is born? 

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