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Just wondering how the pro lifers feel about this?

7 years old and I wonder how much happiness she was able to accumulate? 

I personally think that children until the age of thirteen should only be allowed to be children and play to their hearts content with some structure for education etc. 

I wonder how many opportunities this little girl had to do that and who should bear the responsibility? 

On 9/8/2021 at 11:33 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

It sounds like you've never heard of rape...interesting...

I would like to know how many rapes result in a pregnancy?  Obviously, you've done your research and know the answer.  Please inform us.

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2 hours ago, Beerman said:

I would like to know how many rapes result in a pregnancy?  Obviously, you've done your research and know the answer.  Please inform us.

CDC   June 2020

Pregnancy Resulting from Rape - Sexual Violence - CDC

Rape and Rape-Related Pregnancy(RRP): By the Numbers

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Almost 3 million women in the U.S. experienced RRP during their lifetime.

The prevalence of RRP was similar across racial and ethnic groups (I.e., Hispanic, White non-Hispanic, Black non-Hispanic, and other non-Hispanic).

About 18 million women have experienced lady partsl rape in their lifetime. Women who were raped by a current or former intimate partner were more likely to report RRP (26%) compared to those raped by an acquaintance (5.2%) or a stranger (6.9%).

Of women who were raped by an intimate partner, 30% experienced a form of reproductive coercion by the same partner. Specifically, about 20% reported that their partner had tried to get them pregnant when they did not want to or tried to stop them from using birth control. About 23% reported their partner refused to use a condom.

Women raped by an intimate partner who reported RRP were significantly more likely to have experienced reproductive coercion compared to women who were raped by an intimate partner but did not become pregnant....

 

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9 hours ago, Beerman said:

I would like to know how many rapes result in a pregnancy?  Obviously, you've done your research and know the answer.  Please inform us.

Who are you? Todd Akin?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/aug/19/republican-todd-akin-rape-pregnancy
 


What difference would it make whether it was 1%, 10% or 25% of rapes that result in pregnancies? What makes the question you asked even remotely relevant?

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On 9/10/2021 at 10:18 AM, Curious1997 said:

So I am kinda worried when women begin ruling if you they are going to outlaw wanking for men since we are killing all of these lives according to republicans! 

Do you think that might be the reason that republican men keep wanting to control women, so you guys don't ban the only thing that men have to do, when you take power? 

I really don’t know what these men who think they have a right to dictate what women do with their bodies think and fear, but what I do know that they don’t think that anyone should have the right to control their procreation. They would reject the notion that the state has a right to regulate when they have to procreate out of hand. I can’t recall who said this, but whoever said that ”if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament” was 100% correct.

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22 hours ago, GordonGekko said:

"Pro Choice" people are simply trying to limit the amount of minorities in this nation and are very selfish people…

(partial quote, left out some inflammatory BS)
 

I don’t for a minute believe that your oppostion to access to safe abortion stems from a concern for minority women. 
 

The U.S. has high maternal mortality rates compared to most other affluent countries. Considering your wealth, you do a surprisingly and shamefully poor job when it comes to keeping infants, young children and mothers alive and healthy. 
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_maternal_mortality_ratio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates

 

In the U.S. black women are more than three times more likely than white women to die from pregnancy.

The following CDC study shows that the pregnancy-related mortality ratio per 100,000 live births is 12.7 for white women and 40.8 for black women.

https://www.CDC.gov/media/releases/2019/p0905-racial-ethnic-disparities-pregnancy-deaths.html


So gekko, since you expressed concern for the health of minority women, can you list the number of activities that you are currently either personally involved in or enthusiastically supporting to try to improve maternal health for black women? I’m sure that you are on the barricades fighting for legislation that will make the lives for poor women and children better and healthier. 

A majority in your country actually do support women having access to safe abortions. But now you’ve managed to get a bunch of Supreme Court Justices who appear to have much more in common with the Talibans and ISIL when it comes to women’s rights, than they do with free Western countries. They will set your country back hundreds of years. 

 

One last point. I actually laughed a bit at the ludicrous twist you are attempting to sell… Yes, I’m sure that it’s the white, evangelical extreme right that are fighting hard to make sure that the percentage of minority citizens will increase. Sure, this Texas law is all about protecting minorities. (<— insert epic eye roll)

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As I have always said, pro-Life are not for lives.  They can care less about life after birth because usually they are the same people who vote for politicians that work against LIVES in their communities. 

For example, currently they vote in Trumpist who work against free lunches, they work against raising wages, they work against religious freedoms (white Evangelicals cult-like Christianity is not the only religion in this country), they work against social justice for all, they work against protections of the LGBTQ+ community, they work against policies and laws to protect women's health, they work against supporting and enhancing public education, they are against public shelters and public assistance programs (social security, medicare for all, the VA), they are against voting rights for those that don't look like them, and they are against immigration and asylum claims from black and brown countries.  Thus, they vote against everything that would support LIFE in our country.  So, they don't get to be called pro-life.  They are the anti-abortion-anti-women's-choice-and-health movement and that is all!

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10 hours ago, SummerGarden said:

As I have always said, pro-Life are not for lives.  They can care less about life after birth because usually they are the same people who vote for politicians that work against LIVES in their communities. 

For example, currently they vote in Trumpist who work against free lunches, they work against raising wages, they work against religious freedoms (white Evangelicals cult-like Christianity is not the only religion in this country), they work against social justice for all, they work against protections of the LGBTQ+ community, they work against policies and laws to protect women's health, they work against supporting and enhancing public education, they are against public shelters and public assistance programs (social security, medicare for all, the VA), they are against voting rights for those that don't look like them, and they are against immigration and asylum claims from black and brown countries.  Thus, they vote against everything that would support LIFE in our country.  So, they don't get to be called pro-life.  They are the anti-abortion-anti-women's-choice-and-health movement and that is all!

Hear! Hear! 

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20 hours ago, macawake said:

Who are you? Todd Akin?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/aug/19/republican-todd-akin-rape-pregnancy
 


What difference would it make whether it was 1%, 10% or 25% of rapes that result in pregnancies? What makes the question you asked even remotely relevant?

If your argument is that we need unrestricted abortions because of rape, then yes, it makes a difference.

NRSKaren posted a source that says 3 million woman have become pregnant by rape.

There have been approximately 65 million reported abortions in the US.  I've read that reporting isn't inconsistent, so the number may be higher.

Even if all 3 million of those women chose to have a abortion, and we only count 65 million, that's about 5 percent of all abortions.

Doesn't make the case for unrestricted abortion policy.

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42 minutes ago, Beerman said:

If your argument is that we need unrestricted abortions because of rape, then yes, it makes a difference.

NRSKaren posted a source that says 3 million woman have become pregnant by rape.

There have been approximately 65 million reported abortions in the US.  I've read that reporting isn't inconsistent, so the number may be higher.

Even if all 3 million of those women chose to have a abortion, and we only count 65 million, that's about 5 percent of all abortions.

Doesn't make the case for unrestricted abortion policy.

You have totally missed the point. Of course.

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6 hours ago, heron said:

You have totally missed the point. Of course.

The person I posted to asked a question, and I replied.  

What was the point that I missed?

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51 minutes ago, Beerman said:

The person I posted to asked a question, and I replied.  

What was the point that I missed?

The point that rape-related pregnancy has not been proposed as the justification for unrestricted abortion. It has been cited as one reason that a woman might choose to abort - and the laws that don’t make provision for that are cited as an example of the cruelty of the forced pregnancy advocates.

Frankly, although I agree with the sentiment, it reminds me of the “innocent victim” trope of the AIDS epidemic prevalent during the 90s. It referred primarily to people with hemophilia … coincidentally the majority of which were white and Hispanic men. Everyone else, of course, was guilty as hades, thus deserving of suffering a horrific and lethal disease.

The fact is, abortion prior to fetal viability needs NO justification except the values, conscience and life situation of the individual woman coping with an unwanted pregnancy. 

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Love these evangelicals!

Love thy neighbor unless it's a woman or a black or other ethnic person! 

Yeah, pro life unless you are a covid patient or vulnerable? I wonder how many deaths are attributable to antivaxxers or antimaskers spurred on by Republicans or evangelicals? But, pro life until the baby is born and then you're on your own because it's a guarantee that republicans do not believe in a socialist system of helping out the needy! 

I am absolutely sure that there are more white republican leaning people on welfare than any other demographic and those same hypocrites who refuse education or change, do not want others to have welfare like themselves, because it might take some of the pie away from them! 

Doubters of that statement...... which demographic comprises most of the evangelicals? And these poor SOBs still believe stupidly, that the millionaires and billionaires which make up the majority of the GOP actually has something in common with them! 

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