Published Jun 1, 2015
archemichael
6 Posts
Referencing the following link:
https://allnurses.com/school-nurses/school-nurse-interview-794566-post7005063.html#post7005063
How would you answer the following question:
You walk into your clinic and a child comes in having an asthma attack at the same time another comes in with a major nose bleed, a parent is at your door and faints at the sight of blood in the hallway, the child that was already waiting for you starts throwing up......what order and how do you take care of each situation happening?
Following AHA guidelines with CAB, would you assess the major bleed as priority as it is a circulatory issue and then the student with asthma attack?
Please advise.
abbyzabby
17 Posts
Airway, breathing, circulation
Farawyn
12,646 Posts
What would YOU do?
Utilizing ABC initialism, I would care for:
#1 asthma attack
- Sit the child upright, reassure the child it is going to be okay.
- if unstable such as cyanotic, altered loc, difficulty speaking - call 911
- if stable, check if child has a plan for asthma. ie. albuterol inhaler
- encourage child to breathe in through nose and out in the mouth
- if stable and recovers, return to class.
- call parent or guardian
- follow up with child.
#2 major nose bleed
- encourage to breathe through mouth, and lean head forward
- pinch nostril below nasal bone
- utilize ice pack
- if persistent major bleeding continues - call 911
- if bleeding stops, monitor child, call parent and suggest medical attention as is major bleed
- follow up
#3 child throwing up
- offer something to throw up in
- have child lie down on left side
- offer water to sip on
- if unstable: altered loc or throwing up blood - call 911
- call parent - urge to seek medical care
#4 parent
- assess for potential head injury
- if suspect head, neck or spine injury, keep head and spine aligned. do not move individual - call 911
- utilize ice pack and have parent rest
- discuss the possibily of delayed symptoms up to 2 hours. provide parent with print out discussing head injuries.
So, if i'm assessing patients, I utilize ABC. Once individual codes, I utilize CAB. Is this correct? Also, what is your feedback on my plan. I utilized this resource:
http://www.emsa.ca.gov/media/default/pdf/emsa_196-schoolguidelines_final.pdf
Depending on the job description, it might not be in the school nurses job description to care for parents. I would file an incident report, regardless. My priority
remains with the children.
LMTCBnurse
25 Posts
I think that happened at my school last week.
Asthma -especially if showing signs of distress
Nose bleed - next (until you can work with them, have student pinch)
Vomit- tell them to sit up and put their head in the trash can and stay there until you tell them to move.
Instruct another parent to use ammonia capsule on parent and keep them on the floor until you can assess.
ohiobobcat
887 Posts
I would not offer the vomiting child water to sip on, especially if they have just vomited. The risk of dehydrating for vomiting x 1 is pretty slim, so they are NPO at least until everything else gets straightened out.
NutmeggeRN, BSN
2 Articles; 4,677 Posts
#1 I would be on my walki-talki or the overhead calling for help in the health office!
2) Assess the asthmatic
3) assess the parent
4) tell the vomiter to get in the bathroom
5) tell the nosebleed to sit and hold still and tell them to grab some gauze and a wastebasket
Chances are the vomiter has a virus (get them away from everyone else), the nosebleed (unless they are a von Willebrand) will be OK for a few minutes
Have the help call 911 for the parent if indicated.
Be glad that summer is almost here!!!!
#1 I would be on my walki-talki or the overhead calling for help in the health office!2) Assess the asthmatic 3) assess the parent 4) tell the vomiter to get in the bathroom5) tell the nosebleed to sit and hold still and tell them to grab some gauze and a wastebasketChances are the vomiter has a virus (get them away from everyone else), the nosebleed (unless they are a von Willebrand) will be OK for a few minutesHave the help call 911 for the parent if indicated. Be glad that summer is almost here!!!!
Yes, me too, to all.
JenTheSchoolRN, BSN, RN
3,035 Posts
Lol on the last part!
I don't have a walki-talki, but asthmatic, parent (especially if I think they hit their head on the way down, the floor in my office is concrete), and directing vomiter to my bathroom and handing nosebleed gauze with instructions to hold pressure until I can take a closer look.
"Major" nose bleed is so subjective in the real world. Every nosebleed that happens is considered major by a teacher or student. The worst I've seen took 10 minutes of pressure, but blood loss was minimal overall and student was fine. I suppose if blood were "gushing" out of nose, usually due to some other underlying issue, I'd have 911 on standby for a double pick-up with my asthmatic :).
kidzcare
3,393 Posts
#3 child throwing up- offer something to throw up in- have child lie down on left side- offer water to sip on- if unstable: altered loc or throwing up blood - call 911- call parent - urge to seek medical care- follow up
I'm curious- what's the rationale behind a vomiting person laying on the left side? I've not heard that outside of cardiac issues.
SnowyJ, RN
844 Posts
I offer water to rinse if they are vomiting, but no drinks.
I also give baby wipes for them to clean up until it is ok for them to wash up in the BR.
I generally do not have pukers lie down unless I am pretty sure the "storm" has passed.
Lol on the last part! I don't have a walki-talki,"Major" nose bleed is so subjective in the real world. Every nosebleed that happens is considered major by a teacher or student. The worst I've seen took 10 minutes of pressure, but blood loss was minimal overall and student was fine. I suppose if blood were "gushing" out of nose, usually due to some other underlying issue, I'd have 911 on standby for a double pick-up with my asthmatic :).
I don't have a walki-talki,
A radio has its plusses and minuses....I can go anywhere and they can reach me, the only place I do NOT bring it is to the restroom!!!! (the echo due to the concrete walls is brutal, plus everyone knows where you are!!!
Most "major nosebleeds" in my experience are just huge clots, that once expressed, are over and done with!