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Wow.  No one has started such a thread yet?

After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

Tweety said:

I will allow you that.  

I don't agree.  That people weren't able to talk him out of seeking re-election and allowed him to run is scandalous to me.

From what I've read people no one is saying he had dementia and couldn't function well enough on a day to day basis.  They weren't confident in a national emergency at 2AM he would be able to handle things.   

At the end of the day, unlike what Trump and others would have us believe the country wasn't left in ruins and the Biden-Harris team have nothing to be ashamed of in that regard.  

 Left in ruins is a bit overstated,  I will admit.

But, again who was running things?  It wasn't Biden.  Harris knew he was incompetent.  Democrats knew.  The press knew.

Scandalous and shameful.

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heron said:

Hmm ... Back before the election when Trump's criminal behaviors were actually being addressed, the big maga narrative was the "Biden Crime Family".

Now that trump's rapidly deteriorating mental health and cognitive abilities is being recognized, maga's suddenly obsesses over Biden's mental state.

Funny how that works, innit? Maybe we should be looking at who's really running  the current administration.

It'll be interesting to see how the narrative changes as trump's massive corruption becomes more and more blatant. Wanna start a pool?

The only recognition of Trump's declining mental state that I hear of is what I read in these threads.

Despite it being old news, you seem to be obsessed with commenting everytime I mention new information that comes out on Biden's incompacitated state while he was POTUS.

Massive corruption?  Such as?

 

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Beerman said:

The only recognition of Trump's declining mental state that I hear of is what I read in these threads.

Despite it being old news, you seem to be obsessed with commenting everytime I mention new information that comes out on Biden's incompacitated state while he was POTUS.

Massive corruption?  Such as?

 

Then you're not paying attention. The fact that you're not seeing any discussion of trump's mental and emotional disabilities outside this forum kinda proves my point, doesn't it? I've been seeing it since 2915. The most charitable interpretation of your ignorance of that discussion is that you've been had.

As for your question about corruption ... nope. Bait me once, shame on you. Bait me twice, shame on me. Take a look over there and you'll see what I mean quickly enough. After all, nurses are supposed to be able to recognize patterns, aren't we?

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Beerman said:

 Left in ruins is a bit overstated,  I will admit.

But, again who was running things?  It wasn't Biden.  Harris knew he was incompetent.  Democrats knew.  The press knew.

Scandalous and shameful.

Fair enough.  The country was being run democratically and decisions were being made by Biden and team.  It's not like there was a coup or anything.  At the end of the day it all is scandalous and shameful, but I don't think any harm to the nation occurred.  The end of the Biden administration was looking good to me and by many other metrics.

I agree that you're not paying attention.  Many articles have discussed Trump's mental state, especially during the campaign before it was clear he would be the winner in those final weeks.

However, it seems stable and doesn't seem to be declining to me and he certainly is in charge.  He still lies and makes things up, goes off on childish Truth Social posts, and rambles but he doesn't seem as unhinged as he normally is.  We're so used to Trump's mental state people are saying we've "sane washed" his mental state.  LOL

I will give him his props when he deserves it and he does have his moments.

 

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Tweety said:

Fair enough.  The country was being run democratically and decisions were being made by Biden and team.  It's not like there was a coup or anything.  At the end of the day it all is scandalous and shameful, but I don't think any harm to the nation occurred.  The end of the Biden administration was looking good to me and by many other metrics.

Do you think Congress should spend time and resources looking into it all?  Or, since it all was looking good to you, it's not really important who was doing what?

Tweety said:

 

I agree that you're not paying attention.  Many articles have discussed Trump's mental state, especially during the campaign before it was clear he would be the winner in those final weeks.

 

The assertion that I was replying to was that "his rapidly deteriating mental and cognitive abilities are being recognized".   

It's not, and not being discussed in the mainstream.  If it is, multiple examples should be easy to find.   

Tweety said:

I will give him his props when he deserves it and he does have his moments.

Yes, you do.  I appreciate that you have a balanced view.

Most of the discussion here from the left point of view is simply made to appease each other.   There's a term for that, but I'm probably not supposed to use it here.

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Tweety said:

Fair enough.  The country was being run democratically and decisions were being made by Biden and team.  It's not like there was a coup or anything.  At the end of the day it all is scandalous and shameful, but I don't think any harm to the nation occurred.  The end of the Biden administration was looking good to me and by many other metrics.

I agree that you're not paying attention.  Many articles have discussed Trump's mental state, especially during the campaign before it was clear he would be the winner in those final weeks.

However, it seems stable and doesn't seem to be declining to me and he certainly is in charge.  He still lies and makes things up, goes off on childish Truth Social posts, and rambles but he doesn't seem as unhinged as he normally is.  We're so used to Trump's mental state people are saying we've "sane washed" his mental state.  LOL

I will give him his props when he deserves it and he does have his moments.

 

I disagree that Trump's mental health seems stable. But, then, my viewpoint is significantly different from yours. Until I see more of his mental health history, it's all very speculative anyway. Will continue to monitor ...

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heron said:

Then you're not paying attention. The fact that you're not seeing any discussion of trump's mental and emotional disabilities outside this forum kinda proves my point, doesn't it? 

LOL....no.  Quite the opposite, actually. 

And, I've been "obsessing" over Biden's decline since 2021, BTW.  It's not new, and well documented here.

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I also disagree that Trump's mental health is stable.  There seems to be so much evidence to the contrary.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

I also disagree that Trump's mental health is stable.  There seems to be so much evidence to the contrary.  

Well, whether stable or unstable, "mental health disorder" is definitely high on my index of suspicion. It's only one of the factors that could be affecting his performance, but I'm continuing to monitor.

Meanwhile, his behavior and the severe  national consequences thereof need to be dealt with soon or we won't have a country anymore.

And this is why I'm not engaging with the right wing's nostalgia for Biden when it's trump holding the nuclear codes and a drunken TV personality is running our armed forces.

Just sayin ...

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heron said:

Well, whether stable or unstable, "mental health disorder" is definitely high on my index of suspicion. It's only one of the factors that could be affecting his performance, but I'm continuing to monitor.

Meanwhile, his behavior and the severe  national consequences thereof need to be dealt with soon or we won't have a country anymore.

And this is why I'm not engaging with the right wing's nostalgia for Biden when it's trump holding the nuclear codes and a drunken TV personality is running our armed forces.

Just sayin ...

You should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.  Go ahead and be concerned about Trump with the nuclear codes.  I'm not, but we can disagree.

At the same time, don't you think it's worth examining  the "nostalgia for Biden"?  He had the nuclear codes.  Knowing what you know about him now, don't you think we need to know who was running things and who all was covering up what?

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Do you think Congress should spend time and resources looking into it all?  Or, since it all was looking good to you, it's not really important who was doing what?

Part of me wants to just move on.   Biden had capacity and functioned and he has his team were getting things done and really there weren't many alarms sounded even by republicans those last few months except when Harris got the nomination "if he's not good enough for a second term he needs to be removed now" kind of thing but even that rhetoric was short lived.  Biden made public appearances, made speeches and carried on.  

If he was incapacitated, not seen in public, and incapable then I perhaps might feel differently.  I won't be upset if congress or someone wants to do a deeper dive and I'm sure someone will.  Having some unknown entity running the country is important to know if it happened that way.

But yes, if it can be shown that someone else was running things while Biden was incapacitated then it would be worthy to find out what went on rather than all his stuff about "bombshell revelations".  

But even Fox News has moved on.  The only story about Biden on their homepage is an opinion piece "shocking audio" about his criminal activity.  But even that is at the bottom.

 https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/jonathan-turley-biden-not-only-loser-revealed-shocking-hur-audio

 

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toomuchbaloney said:

I also disagree that Trump's mental health is stable.  There seems to be so much evidence to the contrary.  

 

heron said:

I disagree that Trump's mental health seems stable. But, then, my viewpoint is significantly different from yours. Until I see more of his mental health history, it's all very speculative anyway. Will continue to monitor ...

By stable, I mean not deteriorating.  It's like me saying his high cholesterol is stable.  It's still abnormal but it is not getting worse.  

 

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