President Biden thread

toomuchbaloney · Mar 25

Tweety said:

I agree. Looking back I'm not finding it was a controversy that he offered clemency to so many people. Why look back and make an issue out of something that wasn't an issue at the time? Like I said, it certainly is newsworthy when someone pardoned or offered clemency commits a crime and I don't blame them. I get that part,

Certainly with Biden out of office only a few months it's okay to look back at our current situation that he and his policies might have been contributed to.

But listen to Trump and Republicans he inherited a country with open borders, with illegal criminals running rampant, drug trafficking out of control, and economy and world order in ruins.

I remember saying after Biden took office, and you might remember I got tired of the "but Trump...." posts (especially around the economy and covid issues) and I said maybe after a year we should not be talking about Trump and it's time to keep the subject on Biden.

I'm going to do the same. There's only so long I'm going to listen to the "look what Biden did...." posts. But I understand that this early in the game it might be fair.

I understand that. Comparing the fabrications, delusions, incompetence, malfeasance, and lies that are the substance of this Trump administration to anything that Biden did or said is like comparing dog poop to bad donuts.

There is historical contrast and comparison, however. There are facts and evidence which contradicts the favored narrative of the party of fascists. We should talk about those things.

Beerman, BSN · Mar 26

subee said:

You didn't read my post. I didn't defend Biden. I thought they were ridiculous. However, here we are still talking about someone who left the rear view mirror in 2024. It's 2025 now and, IMO, even worst.

You claim that Biden's acts of clemency aren't as serious. That is indeed defending him.

And, like others here you defended him on many other things that now you probably wish you hadn't. So, now you and others prefer he no longer be discussed. It's even be suggested that this thread be closed.

I understand.

Beerman, BSN · Mar 26

Tweety said:

I don't think that's true. There are many polls out there that put the blame on Biden for losing the election. Even Pelosi pointed the finger at him.

There's an article yesterday on PBS acknowledging the party has been damaged.

https://www.npr.org/2025/03/24/nx-s1-5330827/democrats-in-trump-won-districts-call-on-party-to-rebrand

I don't defend Biden except when I hear rhetoric and false narrative.

The Democrats may be damaged but still here judging by the enthusiasm and large crowds Harris brought out and the current large crowds that Sanders is bringing out they aren't beyond repair and are in the process of dusting themselves off. They may lose elections but after Biden are on an upswing.

Doing a deeper dive myself, it seems prison reform advocates supported non-violent drug offenders with long sentences being released. It was something Biden said he was proud of. Did he know the details of individual cases? Unlikely since there were so many. Republicans didn't seem to have an issue with this, but of course with his last minute pardons including his son they did.

It is regrettable that some released will inevitably not have learned their lesson and return to a life of drugs and crime.

Yes, many Democrats are throwing Biden under the bus. My comment was directed torward some of his supporters here who are in denial about how wrong they were to defend him on many things and how right his critics (like this guy) turned out to be.

The crowds are for AOC and Sanders. Unlikely those two will ever appeal to moderates. Polls show Democrats favorability is at an all-time low. I'm not yet buying that the Democrats are on a upswing. But, I don't underestimate the Republicans ability to screw up their own momentum. So, we'll see.

No, Biden knows nothing of the folks who he granted clemency to., except his family and Fauci and maybe a few others.

Along those lines, in the drama of Musk I've mentioned here how he's (Musk) not even close to the first unelected bureaucrat to make decisions that affect our lives. It happens every day. Those who decided who Biden gave clemency to would be an example.

toomuchbaloney · Mar 26

Beerman said:

Yes, many Democrats are throwing Biden under the bus. My comment was directed torward some of his supporters here who are in denial about how wrong they were to defend him on many things and how right his critics (like this guy) turned out to be.

The crowds are for AOC and Sanders. Unlikely those two will ever appeal to moderates. Polls show Democrats favorability is at an all-time low. I'm not yet buying that the Democrats are on a upswing. But, I don't underestimate the Republicans ability to screw up their own momentum. So, we'll see.

No, Biden knows nothing of the folks who he granted clemency to., except his family and Fauci and maybe a few others.

Along those lines, in the drama of Musk I've mentioned here how he's (Musk) not even close to the first unelected bureaucrat to make decisions that affect our lives. It happens every day. Those who decided who Biden gave clemency to would be an example.

Hahaha

The guy who supports the mentally ill fascist wants to criticize people who support a patriot because the apologist doesn't like the policy. Hahaha

Tweety, BSN, RN · Mar 26

I'm done with Biden.

About Musk, he's invited to cabinet meetings and the pentagon. It's a bit much.

Beerman, BSN · Mar 26

Tweety said:

I'm done with Biden.

About Musk, he's invited to cabinet meetings and the pentagon. It's a bit much.

That's fine. Others have said the same, but insist on commenting in this Biden thread.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Mar 27

Beerman said:

You claim that Biden's acts of clemency aren't as serious. That is indeed defending him.

And, like others here you defended him on many other things that now you probably wish you hadn't. So, now you and others prefer he no longer be discussed. It's even be suggested that this thread be closed.

I understand.

Yes. "Not as serious." I have no idea what Biden was thinking when he commuted all those people but I do know that Trump supported an armed insurrection and wants theses people, IN PARTICULAR, to be freed. Not commuted. Freed. A few have already been re-arrested because they can't help themselves.

toomuchbaloney · Mar 27

Beerman said:

That's fine. Others have said the same, but insist on commenting in this Biden thread.

I'm pretty much done talking about Biden but you keep bringing him up for discussion.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Mar 28

toomuchbaloney said:

I'm pretty much done talking about Biden but you keep bringing him up for discussion.

Do be fair you talked about Trump the whole four years Biden was in office. Just sayin'

toomuchbaloney · Mar 28

Tweety said:

Do be fair you talked about Trump the whole four years Biden was in office. Just sayin'

Yes I did. I thought that it was important that we talk about who and what Trump is. That meant that we talked about him and it's too bad that more people didn't listen.

Beerman, BSN · Mar 28

Tweety said:

The Democrats may be damaged but still here judging by the enthusiasm and large crowds Harris brought out and the current large crowds that Sanders is bringing out they aren't beyond repair and are in the process of dusting themselves off. They may lose elections but after Biden are on an upswing.

The crowd at the Sanders/AOC rally here last weekend:

Tweety, BSN, RN · Mar 28

Beerman said:

The crowd at the Sanders/AOC rally here last weekend:

Fair enough to talk about "the ton of people there that....." but I do think that reporter is trying to take the focus away from what's happening and focus on the extreme to further the divide. It's how they make their money and get views and likes. This is his bio: For eight years, Jeff served as the chairman of the Western Conservative Summit, one of the nation's top conservative public policy conferences, Jeff Hunt is a regular speaker on Christian, conservative values in public policy. Issues he addresses include the sanctity of life, traditional family values, parental rights in education, the original intent of the U.S. Constitution, Western land and water issues, America's drug culture, and much more. Consider booking Jeff for your school, church, or political function.

Democrat influencers do the same thing with cherry picking certain interviews from the Trump rally and splicing them together.

Obviously their "Fighting Oligarchy" tour will draw such extremes.

I think this is more representative of the 30,000 that showed up the other day.

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"Musk is not our Congress. Act lawfully, not awfully," said Nancy Larsen, a rally attendee who feels the federal government is prioritizing corporate interests over ordinary Americans. "I feel like we're in kind of a reverse Robin Hood situation right now, where we're taking from the poor and disadvantaged and giving more money to the rich."

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/thousands-attend-bernie-sanders-aoc-rally-denver-push-progressive-change/

While I did vote for Sanders over Biden, I will say that AOC and Sanders while getting lot of publicity for their views don't necessarily represent mainstream Democrats. But also in these times people might flock to listen to them as they gain more power. This is what we saw with the rise of Trumpism.

The economic strategy of the current administration seems to be to cause pain for greater gain down the road. The current mood of much of the country has soured. We see that in polls about they they feel about the economy's future, how they are reeling in some of their spending, how they are stock piling things they feel will be more expensive later, etc. This is the perfect time for extremists to show themselves, or even people like Sanders and AOC.

Trump is enjoying good reviews from Republicans and other Americans, but I'll stand by my thoughts that Democrats are rising up and dusting themselves off and moving on. Will they win elections, will they veer off path with rhetoric and lose focus? Time will tell.