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After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

toomuchbaloney said:

As if providing a citation doesn't mean that you haven't cherry picked words and misrepresented their intention.  You are dishonest in your representations.  

No.  The intention of the quoted words were to justify not prosecuting the feeble elderly man.  Then Crusades gave the opinion that perhaps if one is not fit to be prosecuted that maybe they aren't fit to run our country.

Instead of an argument against that reasonable opinion, it seems some are deflecting and projecting.

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Beerman said:

No.  The intention of the quoted words were to justify not prosecuting the feeble elderly man.  Then Crusades gave the opinion that perhaps if one is not fit to be prosecuted that maybe they aren't fit to run our country.

Instead of an argument against that reasonable opinion, it seems some are deflecting and projecting.

Sure.

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We conclude that no criminal charges are warranted in this matter. 1 We would 
reach the same conclusion even if Department of Justice policy did not foreclose 
criminal charges against a sitting president. 2

They didn't prosecute because no criminal prosecution was warranted.  That's what the document says.  You are offering spin.  

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However, for the reasons summarized below, we conclude that the evidence 
does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Prosecution of Mr. 
Biden is also unwarranted based on our consideration of the aggravating and 
mitigating factors set forth in the Department of Justice's Principles of Federal 
Prosecution. For these reasons, we decline prosecution of Mr. Biden.

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We conclude the evidence is not sufficient to convict, and we decline to 
recommend prosecution of Mr. Eiden for his retention of the classified Afghanistan 
documents.

The evidence is not sufficient.  Yet, Trump supporters continually spin the explanation of the various realities which would doom an attempted prosecution when there's not adequate evidence of willful law breaking. This is exactly the dishonest baloney that we now expect from all levels of republican political discourse; from Joe blow voter to the party leadership.  

Y'all can't be trusted to tell the truth in the era of Trump.  It's a sickness in conservative politics. That's why the DOJ won't turn over the audio recording of the interview, the intentions of conservatives are far from honorable.  The file is too large to include but you can read the actual report. 

https://www.Google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-February-2024.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_2unpxceGAxXgMzQIHQ5QAX8QFnoECBgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0M0Qjmm76FEW5jnmT1GK6d

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Crusades said:

Hur said, 

"He reasoned that "at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory.” In Hur's view, "it would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him—by then a former president well into his eighties—of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.”

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-impossible-role-of-robert-hur

What's "right wing in that? 

Because what you are saying is cherry picked.  I watched him during the hearings and he also said that Biden was competent and had a good memory.   The interview, when seen in person, is quite different than what the RWM depicts.  Trump is the one who resembles a person with a mental crisis.  He can hardly speak in sentences anymore without rambling.

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subee said:

Because what you are saying is cherry picked.  I watched him during the hearings and he also said that Biden was competent and had a good memory.   The interview, when seen in person, is quite different than what the RWM depicts.  Trump is the one who resembles a person with a mental crisis.  He can hardly speak in sentences anymore without rambling.

This sounds like a great argument for the recordings of the Biden interview to be released.  

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subee said:

Because what you are saying is cherry picked.  I watched him during the hearings and he also said that Biden was competent and had a good memory.   The interview, when seen in person, is quite different than what the RWM depicts.  Trump is the one who resembles a person with a mental crisis.  He can hardly speak in sentences anymore without rambling.

I think this is why the right wing media noise is getting louder about Biden's cognition.  Trump's mental and verbal capacity is clearly strained and faltering.  Maybe he should see if he could get some of those amazing dementia drugs that he tells his cult that Biden is taking to speak so well at the SOTU or at other events.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

Sure.

They didn't prosecute because no criminal prosecution was warranted.  That's what the document says.  You are offering spin.  

The evidence is not sufficient.  Yet, Trump supporters continually spin the explanation of the various realities which would doom an attempted prosecution when there's not adequate evidence of willful law breaking. This is exactly the dishonest baloney that we now expect from all levels of republican political discourse; from Joe blow voter to the party leadership.  

Y'all can't be trusted to tell the truth in the era of Trump.  It's a sickness in conservative politics. That's why the DOJ won't turn over the audio recording of the interview, the intentions of conservatives are far from honorable.  The file is too large to include but you can read the actual report. 

https://www.Google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-February-2024.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_2unpxceGAxXgMzQIHQ5QAX8QFnoECBgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0M0Qjmm76FEW5jnmT1GK6d

The reason there would be reasonable doubt of  "willful" law breaking (and whether it needs to be willful is debatable) is because he would present himself as a feeble elderly man.  

Here is some right-wing spin to help you understand:

"Hur's report included several shocking lines about Biden's memory, which the report said "was significantly limited" during his 2023 interviews with the special counsel. Biden's age and presentation would make it more difficult to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the now-81-year-old was guilty of willfully committing a crime.

"We have also considered that, at trial, Mr. Biden would likely present himself to a jury, as he did during our interview of him, as a sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory,” it said. "Based on our direct interactions with and observations of him, he is someone for whom many jurors will want to identify reasonable doubt. It would be difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him — by then a former president well into his eighties — of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfulness.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/special-counsel-says-evidence-biden-willfully-retained-disclosed-class-rcna96666

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Beerman said:

This sounds like a great argument for the recordings of the Biden interview to be released.  

I feel competent that Hur's public statements are true since he contradicted himself 🙂  

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Beerman said:

This sounds like a great argument for the recordings of the Biden interview to be released.  

Sure. I bet the anti-Biden crowd would be thrilled to hear the pain in the President's voice when he talks about  losing his son to cancer. 

 

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Beerman said:

This sounds like a great argument for the recordings of the Biden interview to be released.  

Not really.  

As the AG testified, there is no legislative purpose for the release of the audio recordings to Congress.  The transcript is sufficient for their needs.  

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toomuchbaloney said:

Sure.

They didn't prosecute because no criminal prosecution was warranted.  That's what the document says.  You are offering spin.  

The evidence is not sufficient.  Yet, Trump supporters continually spin the explanation of the various realities which would doom an attempted prosecution when there's not adequate evidence of willful law breaking. This is exactly the dishonest baloney that we now expect from all levels of republican political discourse; from Joe blow voter to the party leadership.  

Y'all can't be trusted to tell the truth in the era of Trump.  It's a sickness in conservative politics. That's why the DOJ won't turn over the audio recording of the interview, the intentions of conservatives are far from honorable.  The file is too large to include but you can read the actual report. 

https://www.Google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-February-2024.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi_2unpxceGAxXgMzQIHQ5QAX8QFnoECBgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0M0Qjmm76FEW5jnmT1GK6d

They prosecuted Trump without specifying the actual crime.... LOL 

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NRSKarenRN said:

Biden to tout American global leadership during trip to France

Biden will commemorate the 80th anniversary of D-Day on Thursday in Normandy.

 

I wonder if he'll l tell the story how he stormed the beaches of Normandy, when he was drafted to the Vietnam war and all his friends were eaten by cannibals?  

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Crusades said:

They prosecuted Trump without specifying the actual crime.... LOL 

Baloney.  That was a stupid thing to say.  

Crusades said:

I wonder if he'll l tell the story how he stormed the beaches of Normandy, when he was drafted to the Vietnam war and all his friends were eaten by cannibals?  

You don't need to wonder.  You can just say that he did tomorrow, it's all the same to you.  

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