President Biden thread

Beerman said:

All those reasons are not why he is pausing the projects.

Projects that have been approved by the DOE are not effected.  The projects that are effected would have yet to go through a approval process anyway of all those things you mentioned, presumably.  He's just pandering to the extremists, in my and many others opinions.  It seems pretty obvious.

Dismissive name calling?  Do you have an example, because I am stumped.

Dismissing people concerned with ongoing destruction of the ecosystems that keep us alive as "climate zealots".

So what if the pause is "political"? Is Biden just the president of big business? Isn't it his job to respond to all citizens, not just those who depend on hydrocarbons for their stock portfolio? Why is that a bad thing?

What's the big rush with these permits, anyway? Where's the emergency?

Beerman said:

You said:

"Don't look over there or you'll call me bad names? Interesting ."

and:

"that you have to resort to dismissive name-calling?"

I'd really like to know who and what names?  Then I can apologize and we can move on with our discussion. 

Thank you. 

Dismissive name calling could include things like; attention seeker or climate zealot. 

Beerman said:

"Attention-seeker" was directed at a person in the news who seems to crave attention, imo.

zealot - a zealous person especially : a fanatical partisan

zealous - 

marked by fervent partisanship for a person, a cause, or an ideal : filled with or characterized by zeal

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/zealot

 

I'm a bit surprised that folks who used the term and called me a "magaphile " are offended by how I used either of the above.

But, I'm not one to tell others how they feel.

So, my apologies. 

Yes, I am aware that it was E Jean Carroll that you called an attention seeker.  That's why I used it as an example of name calling, to help you understand.  

Having an interest in mitigating behaviors which are negatively affecting our planet is not the same as zealotry.  Unconditional support of a well known liar and philanderer could well be a form of political zealotry. When that support has a regular person name calling the woman who beat that philanderer in court or minimizing a violent attempt to overthrow election results, zealotry seems an appropriate term.  

Beerman said:

@heron  I see I missed that you actually did address this in your post.  My eyes missed the first paragraph I guess.

You can see my apology for name calling in my reply to TMB.

Got it ?

Beerman said:

Of course.  There are many who are concerned.  And, then an extreme fringe who are zealots.  

 

Not sure what your point is, but I agree.

I guess then unconditional criticism and believing accusations without any objective critical thought could also be a form of political zealotry.

I could see that.  I don't agree with your description of my actions, but you do describe zealotry.  

That's right, and that fringe is not represented here or in Biden's decision.  The climate zealotry that represents a concern is that which wants us to continue our obsession with fossil fuels as if climate science and objective data as  conspiracies.  

I'm glad that you agree about that political zealotry.  We have a real time example of such zealotry with the unconditional support and defense of Trump coupled with the unconditional criticism of Biden without any objective critical thought. 

You don't have to believe or agree with me.  You may continue to call Carroll names and disparage her character and believe that's fine.  What's important is that Trump discovered that he may not use the language that you do in reference to Ms Carroll.  If he does he will likely lose more money for defamation, so he'll have to leave that business to the zealots who believe that he is a victim.  

Beerman said:

"The poll also shows Trump holding a 16-point advantage over Biden on being competent and effective, a reversal from 2020, when Biden was ahead of Trump on this quality by 9 points before defeating him in that election.

And Biden's approval rating has declined to the lowest level of his presidency in NBC News polling — to 37% — while fewer than 3 in 10 voters approve of his handling of the Israel-Hamas war."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/poll-biden-trump-economy-presidential-race-rcna136834

Remember me saying that this would lower his popularity.  New organizations have long moved past the suffering of Israel and the hostages and it's better news to focus on the Palestinians.  Which might be fair as both sides need to be told.  Sympathy for the Palestinians among Democrats is high.  

His age is an issue.

I won't deny that in some cases Trump was competent and effective and had accomplishments but....oh well you know...broken record.  I don't see how that Trumps what he did when he lost the election when there were other candidates to pick from...blah blah blah.

I'm not sure I understand the disconnect between perceptions and reality.  Such as from your article "amid positive news on the U.S. economy, including growing consumer confidence and more than 300,000 jobs created last month" which sounds pretty effective and competent from the Biden.   

Tweety said:

Remember me saying that this would lower his popularity.  New organizations have long moved past the suffering of Israel and the hostages and it's better news to focus on the Palestinians.  Which might be fair as both sides need to be told.  Sympathy for the Palestinians among Democrats is high.  

His age is an issue.

I won't deny that in some cases Trump was competent and effective and had accomplishments but....oh well you know...broken record.  I don't see how that Trumps what he did when he lost the election when there were other candidates to pick from...blah blah blah.

I'm not sure I understand the disconnect between perceptions and reality.  Such as from your article "amid positive news on the U.S. economy, including growing consumer confidence and more than 300,000 jobs created last month" which sounds pretty effective and competent from the Biden.   

 

The disconnect is the media, IMV. Anxiety and concern inspire people to read more politics and to watch more politics and so that's where media focus their "truth telling".  Balancing good news against the anxiety provoking claims and accusations and conspiracies from right wing rhetoric when it's not the good news that drives the ratings and that deeply influences the way and frequency that information is presented.  

One must sift through crazy amounts of reporting that is frivolous and essentially irrelevant because that is what large groups of people are focused upon, especially in social media. Eventually the BS translates and gets elevated on credible media platforms, because it generates buzz for the outlet and all of the outlets see buzz as a pay day. Examples are abundant, from Mr Potato Head to Taylor Swift.