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After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

On 12/8/2022 at 6:35 AM, Tweety said:

Griner to be released in exchange for an arms dealer.  

She committed a crime and was foolish for bringing drugs in and don't feel bad for her conviction but the sentence was quite harsh and she was used by Putin politically.  The arms dealer had already served 11 years so I guess I'm okay with it.

https://www.aol.com/wnba-star-brittney-griner-released-130615226.html

The more I've learned about this guy, the more I realize this trade sucks.  

He's more than just a simple arms dealer. 

"To Pasquarello, freeing Bout early was a troubling decision with potential “huge repercussions.” The former DEA agent argues that the U.S. State Department has a responsibility to figure out how to bring Griner and other wrongfully detained Americans home without offering a prisoner exchange or making other major concessions.

“I’m kind of in disbelief that someone with the potential to orchestrate arms deals that can kill Americans anywhere in the world would be traded for a prisoner,” Pasquarello told Yahoo Sports on Thursday. “I think this sends a terrible message that the U.S. will negotiate, that the U.S. will make concessions and that, if an American is held overseas, there’s always the potential that the U.S. will acquiesce to the demands of people like [Russian President Vladimir] Putin and bail them out."

https://sports.Yahoo.com/dea-agent-who-helped-put-viktor-bout-behind-bars-slams-brittney-griner-swap-we-couldnt-even-get-two-people-for-the-worlds-most-notorious-weapons-trafficker-220232108.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAwMkLTbwH_JJ_zdT_4hQbHBK-CJff-FRNysEFUo5oHpegxMyFo8cZeMNE9IwWwaC8L2CnKUTCN3bxOl84sgUEDE7EDv-szATtzDXp1VUg5SzQ2U2dfbxgTjWbcpYtvCxAPdpcpxoAcQZf1rA4PTaLz3Uv5V9CUXTW_ov305Su7t

 

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49 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Pointing out your unsourced opinion that,  coincidentally,, sounds exactly like right wing political hyperbole without much in the form of factual basis... it gets the targeted audience riled up though.  

You need to reread previous posts by liberals on here.

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19 hours ago, Tweety said:

Well, it would be hard not to notice she was LBGT since her wife was at the press conference.  But I really didn't know that about her either, but I didn't follow it all that closely.  Apparently her wife has been very outspoken in drumming up all this publicity.  Apparently her being both black and lesbian were safety concerns from her loved ones.  

Playing the straight white dude card sounds a bit off, if not racist.  Disappointed because you're better than that.

The straight (?) white male left behind, Whelan, got an understanding response from his brother.   My heart aches for him and his family.

 

You can be dissapointed all you want.  Now, it's quite clear we let go the "Merchant of Death" for a basketball player, who knowingly broke the law, because she was black and LBGQT.

If we'll let this guy go, who won't we release?

Biden made the world a much more dangerous place.

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There are so many things about the Griner case that make it very very difficult for the modern American conservative to feel thankful and relieved that an American unjustly held in a hostile foreign country was returned home.  It's difficult to imagine the tone of the reporting on this turn of events that incites such feelings of animus about this exchange.  It's almost as if right wing media is focused upon reasons to be angry rather than reporting current events. 

1 hour ago, MaybeeRN said:

You need to reread previous posts by liberals on here.

Nah...but you could source/support your own opinions.

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18 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Can you provide a source for this analysis? 

I think she must have been thinking about Kelly Conway (sarcasm):)

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17 hours ago, Tweety said:

I think the point that if a former staffer becomes a reporter it is hard for them to turn off the bias might be a valid one.  WaPo is frequently the target of the right for their bias.

It is my opinion that former staffers in media aren't really a huge problem and have much control over the media.  It's really a lame point to make.

 

OR, it could mean that the former Republican staffers don't have the skill set to get those primo jobs.  And if they are mostly opinion jobs, what's the big deal?  Opinion is not fact.  Most of us here know the difference.  It's lame when someone here posts opinion pieces as something that is a meaningful buttress to a reasoned argument.

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2 hours ago, Beerman said:

You can be dissapointed all you want.  Now, it's quite clear we let go the "Merchant of Death" for a basketball player, who knowingly broke the law, because she was black and LBGQT.

If we'll let this guy go, who won't we release?

Biden made the world a much more dangerous place.

You didn't even know she was LGBT until she was released and now somehow you have knowledge that's why she was released?   What an ugly thing to presume.

It get the rest.  Trump and conservative media are saying the same thing. It's definitely looks like a win for Putin.

 

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In a totally unrelated deflection post:

 

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Human rights lawyer Qasim Rashid said: "Republicans completely ignored it when Trump released 5,000 Taliban terrorists into Afghanistan—but are now outraged that Biden helped return Brittney Griner to the United States. I can't quite figure out why.

"If you're upset that Biden exchanged an arms dealer for Brittany Griner—but approved Trump releasing 5,000 Taliban terrorists who then took over Afghanistan—stop pretending it's national security you care about," Rashid added.

Lawyer Tristan Snell tweeted: "In late 2018, Trump released Abdul Ghani Baradar, one of the top leaders of the Taliban, along with 5000 other Taliban fighters, in exchange for... *checks notes*... nobody."

 

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-5000-taliban-brittany-griner-biden-prisoner-deal-1765859

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1 minute ago, Tweety said:

She was not released because she was black and LGBT. That's an ugly thing to presume.

It get that.  Trump and conservative media are saying the same thing. It's definitely looks like a win for Putin.

 

It's no big news that some members of the Republican party are reasonably supportive of Putin in a variety of matters.  

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1 minute ago, Tweety said:

She was not released because she was black and LGBT.

It get that.  Trump and conservative media are saying the same thing. It's definitely looks like a win for Putin.

 

Or it could be viewed that Biden swallowed his pride for the greater good of retreiving an American citizen.  It remains to be seen how Putin will treat the arms dealer when he is returned to his homeland.

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16 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's no big news that some members of the Republican party are reasonably supportive of Putin in a variety of matters.  

Sorry my post was unclear.

I meant to say the prisoner exchange deal on the surface looks like a win for Putin.  We got an unknown basketball player convicted of a minor (in our country) crime and they got "the merchant of death".

Trump was on his social media posting his outrage similar to Beerman.

 

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25 minutes ago, subee said:

Or it could be viewed that Biden swallowed his pride for the greater good of retreiving an American citizen.  It remains to be seen how Putin will treat the arms dealer when he is returned to his homeland.

We may never know.  But Biden was under intense pressure from the public sympathetic to her to get her out.  

I'm not even sure why Putin wanted him back and may have had some behinds the scene pressure to get him out.  Hopefully in the time in prison his ability to do his dirty work is over, particularly since he's so high profile, and he lays low.   I'm sure the administration considered that he's not just going to walk back in to his old job and kill Americans.

Personally, while Trump and others may disagree, I think that being able to negotiate this while we are supplying weapons to Ukraine and Russia is invading Ukraine, it's a win for the Biden admnistration.

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This is a man who many ordinary Russians may have heard of, and he certainly is of mythological importance to the Russian elite. He is not someone Moscow would – to paraphrase the ugly slogan of Russia’s invasion in which hundreds of soldiers’ bodies have remained strewn on the battlefield – “leave behind.” 

These are the very people that Putin wants to curry favor with now. The deal may also have been more self-serving: Many believe that when Bout served in Africa, he had close ties to members of the Russian elite now close to Putin (though Bout has denied this too). Was this why the US spent such time and money to detain him? Did they think he would turn? We may never know.

Yes, it is a win for Putin, but one that comes at the cost of exposing his weakness and his need to keep the military elite he relies upon content.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/08/europe/viktor-bout-putin-importance-analysis-intl/index.html

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