President Biden thread

1 hour ago, Tweety said:

Calling a President a liar in print seems something the media is hesitant to do.  I don't think Biden is getting any more special consideration here than any other President including Trump.

The media was criticized for not calling Trump a liar at first.  But I suppose being called "the enemy of the people" they couldn't be bothered with saying "he spoke untruths or falsehoods" and started pointing out his many lies. 

 

Everyone tells untruths in their lives.  Most people who have told untruths, or have embellished stories remain generally trustworthy and credible.

Some people are liars.  They can't help themselves.  Their first impulse is to lie. It's a compulsion, really. 

"Pathological lying, also known as mythomania and pseudologia fantastica, is the chronic behavior of compulsive or habitual lying.

Unlike telling the occasional white lie to avoid hurting someone’s feelings or getting in trouble, a pathological liar seems to lie for no apparent reason.

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"Pathological lying, also known as mythomania and pseudologia fantastica, is the chronic behavior of compulsive or habitual lying.

Unlike telling the occasional white lie to avoid hurting someone’s feelings or getting in trouble, a pathological liar seems to lie for no apparent reason."
https://www.healthline.com/health/pathological-liar#

 

Trump, Republican politicians and some conservative voters would like for us to ignore the differences between those levels of honesty.  

5 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Everyone tells untruths in their lives.  Most people who have told untruths, or have embellished stories remain generally trustworthy and credible.

Some people are liars.  They can't help themselves.  Their first impulse is to lie. It's a compulsion, really. 

"Pathological lying, also known as mythomania and pseudologia fantastica, is the chronic behavior of compulsive or habitual lying.

Unlike telling the occasional white lie to avoid hurting someone’s feelings or getting in trouble, a pathological liar seems to lie for no apparent reason.

Trump, Republican politicians and some conservative voters would like for us to ignore the differences between those levels of honesty.  

There was some controversy as perhaps there is now brewing about how the media reported on Trump.

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Many news organizations resist using the word because of the question of intent. Editors feel it’s important to establish whether someone is spreading false information knowingly, intending to deceive, and it’s hard to get inside a person’s head.

While Kessler’s team has found 88 instances where Trump falsely claimed responsibility for the largest tax cut in U.S. history, the president may sincerely believe it, Kessler said.

At The Associated Press, “we feel it’s better to say what the facts are, say what the person said and let the audience make the decision whether or not it’s an intentional lie,” said John Daniszewski, the news cooperative’s standards editor.

 

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-donald-trump-us-news-ap-top-news-news-media-88675d3fdd674c7c9ec70f170f6e4a1a

There was some talk about the press and how deal with politicians.  I know we're talking about Biden and his lies but Trump gave us some prospective and precedent.  

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/5/30/17404840/trump-lies-demonstrable-falsehoods

Even Nixon gives us some precedent.  

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Notably, though, it wasn’t until the Watergate investigations proved that Nixon had deliberately uttered his falsehoods with the intent to deceive the public that journalists rolled out the heaviest rhetorical artillery available to them: Calling the president a liar.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/the-perils-of-calling-trump-a-liar-214704/

Yeah. So the argument is that Trump isn't a habitual liar, he just lives in a delusion?

34 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yeah. So the argument is that Trump isn't a habitual liar, he just lives in a delusion?

Starting with the belief he had the largest inauguration audience in history and with him currently believing he's the legitimate president, there can actually be a good argument made for that.  

But since we're talking about Biden.

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The exaggerated biography that Mr. Biden tells includes having been a fierce civil rights activist who was repeatedly arrested. He has claimed to have been an award-winning student who earned three degrees. And last week, speaking on the hurricane-devastated island of Puerto Rico, he said he had been “raised in the Puerto Rican community at home, politically.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/10/us/politics/biden-exaggeration-falsehood.html

I was helping a patient find Fox News yesterday and when we found it the tag line on the bottom was "Joe Biden eats ice cream during inflation" or something like that.  

I looked into it further and apparently he's being blasted for saying the economy is strong as hell.  The Fox News reporter, rather than report on it, said "Joe Biden's tactic of lying to voters" clearly shows what they are about.

It does seem he's very cavalier about it all.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-tells-reporter-economy-strong-hell-while-eating-ice-cream-portland

There are some metrics where the economy is good such as the 20 months of continued job growth, GDP is positive, ect.  But it's not all rosy and recession might be looming.   Republicans (along with their news network Fox News) laser focus on inflation is understandable.

The other anti-Biden news organization The New York Post says " Biden insists US economy is ‘strong as hell’ as he munches an ice cream cone".    

I don't get the fixation on him eating an ice cream cone.

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.. more than two-thirds of registered U.S. voters say the Biden administration could be doing more to address inflation and the price increases that have come with it, according to the latest CBS News Battleground Trackerpoll, which pointed to slowing momentum among Democratic congressional candidates after months of steady advances. Republicans' lead in the race for control of the U.S. House appeared to stabilize as a result, the poll suggested.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-buttigieg-employment-strong-as-hell-defends-president-joe-biden-administration-economic-policies-face-the-nation/

12 hours ago, Tweety said:

Starting with the belief he had the largest inauguration audience in history and with him currently believing he's the legitimate president, there can actually be a good argument made for that.  

But since we're talking about Biden.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/10/us/politics/biden-exaggeration-falsehood.html

Sure. I agree with the article;

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“He obviously has this tendency, where he’s a good and decent man who in politics has felt like he could stretch the truth up to a point just like virtually every president has done,” said Eric Alterman, the author of “Lying in State: Why Presidents Lie — and Why Trump Is Worse” and a professor at City University of New York.

“With Biden, people have decided these are not the kind of lies that matter,” Mr. Alterman added. “These are the kinds of lies that people’s grandfathers tell.”

But we'll have to tolerate this fixation on liberal lies from the same people who will vote for Trump, the mythomaniac, another time.  

46 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

But we'll have to tolerate this fixation on liberal lies from the same people who will vote for Trump, the mythomaniac, another time.  

I appreciate that.  No need to default to "well you're side does it worse" and dismiss someone bringing up a topic.  IMO

I think sometimes we all embellish things about ourselves and our pasts because we're egotistical people.  I used to do that when I was drunk quite a bit.  But I've matured and recognized that about myself and find the good old ugly truth is always the best way to approach people learning about me.

While I can excuse my grandfather or drunk uncle to me it's a bit different when a President makes things up and while Trump lives in some sort of alternative reality where he just makes things up to suit himself and is much more worse than Biden, I still don't appreciate Biden doing it and understand that conservatives would point that out.  Although I understand that them giving Trump a pass while all of a sudden being concerned about Biden is a bit annoying.

To me nothing is worse than the lie "the election was stolen" but that still doesn't mean people can't talk about Biden.

9 hours ago, Tweety said:

I was helping a patient find Fox News yesterday and when we found it the tag line on the bottom was "Joe Biden eats ice cream during inflation" or something like that.  

I looked into it further and apparently he's being blasted for saying the economy is strong as hell.  The Fox News reporter, rather than report on it, said "Joe Biden's tactic of lying to voters" clearly shows what they are about.

It does seem he's very cavalier about it all.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-tells-reporter-economy-strong-hell-while-eating-ice-cream-portland

There are some metrics where the economy is good such as the 20 months of continued job growth, GDP is positive, ect.  But it's not all rosy and recession might be looming.   Republicans (along with their news network Fox News) laser focus on inflation is understandable.

The other anti-Biden news organization The New York Post says " Biden insists US economy is ‘strong as hell’ as he munches an ice cream cone".    

I don't get the fixation on him eating an ice cream cone.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pete-buttigieg-employment-strong-as-hell-defends-president-joe-biden-administration-economic-policies-face-the-nation/

Fox News lives rent free in liberal heads on a daily basis.

3 minutes ago, MaybeeRN said:

Fox News lives rent free in liberal heads on a daily basis.

Still phishing for a fight, I see.

31 minutes ago, heron said:

Still phishing for a fight, I see.

Stating the obvious is phishing for a fight?

4 minutes ago, MaybeeRN said:

Stating the obvious is phishing for a fight?

QED