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After promising that most K-8 students would be in schools in the first 100 days,  apparently Joe is afraid to lead on this and has drastically scaled back that goal.

Instead, we're shooting for about half to go to school at least one day a week,  by the end of April.

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-02-09/bidens-goal-for-school-reopenings-suddenly-became-more-attainable

 

57 minutes ago, Tweety said:

I'm afraid you misunderstood me because I didn't say the stutter wasn't present. But seriously, as a news junkie myself, I can say in the media I consume it wasn't mentioned that much and it fell under my radar until this election.   Obama surely didn't introduce him as a B-B-B-Biden until recently am I correct?

So yes, it was there.  For whatever reason whether he himself is bringing it up more, or the other side (I.e. Trump during the election) is being catty in bringing it up, or both, it's now talked about more than ever.  

In my opinion.

I don't know about an Obama introduction like that.  It makes sense to me that Biden might mention the stutter occasionally.  It's not surprising that today's republican rhetoric would try to spin that stutter into evidence of something to be fineness about. 

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44 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't know about an Obama introduction like that.  It makes sense to me that Biden might mention the stutter occasionally.  It's not surprising that today's republican rhetoric would try to spin that stutter into evidence of something to be fineness about. 

Sorry I was wrong.  Obama made that statement when he picked him as his VP.  I was reading it wrong.  I guess it was more widely known than I thought. But it wasn't a big deal, so it slipped under my radar, but I knew it existed only recently and didn't doubt it, and really shouldn't be a big deal now.

https://niemanreports.org/articles/biden-stutter/

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2 hours ago, Tweety said:

I with you on that.  While it may have been noted here and there that he stuttered as a kid, learned to over come it, I don't think one can say there has been "evidence of his stutter all through his political life".  I certainly didn't know of it until this presidency and he was VP for 8 years.   

I really don't even think he stutters that much now does he?  I think he has embraced it to show how much he has overcome...I.e. what Obama said about him.  I think they want to portray him as a strong man that overcome difficulties in life, which I think is why they/he mentions his son so much.  

Also, I think the right wants to minimize it and maximize the idea that he's demented that he's really demented and just using his stutter as a cover up.

I agree with most of this, until the last paragraph.

And, that is my main point.  It's actually the left that is using it as a cover up.  He is forgetful, stumbles over words, botches names, etc.  His supporters say its his stutter, and that he has always been a poor speaker, and that isn't any kind of sign of decline. That's how he's always been.  TMB and Subee both said those things in this very discussion.

However,  if you look at old footage of him, there is no stutter and he actually was a very good public speaker.   It seems unlikely he would have ever been elected so young in the first place if he was a bad speaker.

If you use the Google "Biden stutter", and use the date tool, there is next to nothing before 2006.  Just one old cspan interview where he talks about it.   A few stories in 2006, and many in 2008.  It definitely hasn't been part of his public life as Baloney falsely stated.

One can have the opinion he is as mentally fit as ever.  However, it just doesn't fly to back up that opinion with that he's always been a bad speaker with a stutter.

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Just because we did not "know" that Biden was a stutterer the evidence of the condition was present.  He displays certain characteristics of a stutter although it may take a trained and/or experienced eye to pick up the "tells" from video or observational evidence.  

You said there was plenty of evidence out there of his stuttering throughout his work in the public eye.

Now, you're adding the caveot that it takes a trained or experienced eye to detect it.  Are we then to deduce that you have such a eye?  

 

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7 hours ago, Beerman said:

I agree with most of this, until the last paragraph.

And, that is my main point.  It's actually the left that is using it as a cover up.  He is forgetful, stumbles over words, botches names, etc.  His supporters say its his stutter, and that he has always been a poor speaker, and that isn't any kind of sign of decline. That's how he's always been.  TMB and Subee both said those things in this very discussion.

However,  if you look at old footage of him, there is no stutter and he actually was a very good public speaker.   It seems unlikely he would have ever been elected so young in the first place if he was a bad speaker.

If you use the Google "Biden stutter", and use the date tool, there is next to nothing before 2006.  Just one old cspan interview where he talks about it.   A few stories in 2006, and many in 2008.  It definitely hasn't been part of his public life as Baloney falsely stated.

One can have the opinion he is as mentally fit as ever.  However, it just doesn't fly to back up that opinion with that he's always been a bad speaker with a stutter.

As the parent of a child with a studder, or "stammer" as it's referred to in Europe, I'm happy to meet with you to discuss the relationship between a studder and cognitive abilities, or more accurately the lack of relationship between the two.  

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7 hours ago, MunoRN said:

As the parent of a child with a studder, or "stammer" as it's referred to in Europe, I'm happy to meet with you to discuss the relationship between a studder and cognitive abilities, or more accurately the lack of relationship between the two.  

I made no connection between the stuttering and his cognitive abilities.  I don't happen to believe he has a stutter now, and am skeptical about his story about stuttering as a child. 

Maybe you need to go back and read the discussion carefully .

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7 hours ago, Beerman said:

I made no connection between the stuttering and his cognitive abilities.  I don't happen to believe he has a stutter now, and am skeptical about his story about stuttering as a child. 

Maybe you need to go back and read the discussion carefully . 

 

I've been through the threads multiple times, as well as Biden's descriptions of his experiences as a stutterer as a child.

And yes, you have clearly made accussations about his current cognition related to his stuttering. 

You question whether he actually had a stutter as a child? 

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7 hours ago, MunoRN said:

I've been through the threads multiple times, as well as Biden's descriptions of his experiences as a stutterer as a child.

And yes, you have clearly made accussations about his current cognition related to his stuttering. 

You question whether he actually had a stutter as a child?  

No, my whole point has been that people use his stutter as an excuse.  I've shown that he's never had a stutter his whole adult life, so there is something else going on, imo.  

I'm telling you clearly, there is no connection between stuttering and intelligence.   

Biden has a history of fabricating stories.   And, I haven't seen evidence of his stuttering.  So, when he says things such as nun used to mock him for stuttering, and that he overcame it all by himself without professoonal help, it's reseaonable to be skeptical. 

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1 hour ago, Beerman said:

You said there was plenty of evidence out there of his stuttering throughout his work in the public eye.

Now, you're adding the caveot that it takes a trained or experienced eye to detect it.  Are we then to deduce that you have such a eye?  

 

No, I'm giving you room to admit that you didn't pay attention and you aren't that familiar with stuttering anyway.  Maybe you'd rather leave the impression that you are hyping up a stutter as evidence of cognitive decline in an old guy. 

You are allowed to have your own opinion about what constitutes a good public speaker but I wouldn't put gaffe prone Joe Biden in that group.  

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

No, my whole point has been that people use his stutter as an excuse.  I've shown that he's never had a stutter his whole adult life, so there is something else going on, imo.  

I'm telling you clearly, there is no connection between stuttering and intelligence.   

Biden has a history of fabricating stories.   And, I haven't seen evidence of his stuttering.  So, when he says things such as nun used to mock him for stuttering, and that he overcame it all by himself without professoonal help, it's reseaonable to be skeptical. 

The only thing that's going on is an attempt to paint Biden as a dishonest shyster by folks who prefer the political tactics and ethics of Trump and Trump-lite politicians. 

You didn't see evidence of Trump's deep dishonesty and corrupt character either, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't there.  Itss reasonable to be skeptical in the presence of obvious contradiction, it's gullible to believe and repeat crazy theories and speculation based in the opinions and rhetoric of media outlets and partisan commentators.

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8 hours ago, Beerman said:

I agree with most of this, until the last paragraph.

And, that is my main point.  It's actually the left that is using it as a cover up.  He is forgetful, stumbles over words, botches names, etc.  His supporters say its his stutter, and that he has always been a poor speaker, and that isn't any kind of sign of decline. That's how he's always been.  TMB and Subee both said those things in this very discussion.

However,  if you look at old footage of him, there is no stutter and he actually was a very good public speaker.   It seems unlikely he would have ever been elected so young in the first place if he was a bad speaker.

If you use the Google "Biden stutter", and use the date tool, there is next to nothing before 2006.  Just one old cspan interview where he talks about it.   A few stories in 2006, and many in 2008.  It definitely hasn't been part of his public life as Baloney falsely stated.

One can have the opinion he is as mentally fit as ever.  However, it just doesn't fly to back up that opinion with that he's always been a bad speaker with a stutter.

I can't argue with any of this because you might be right.  I think mentally he has declined since his younger more vibrant days.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/01/joe-biden-stutter-profile/602401/

But sometimes perhaps he is stuttering like the famous time he "forgot Obama's name...".   No way, no how will I believe he forgot Obama's name.  And what sometimes looks like a decline isn't but people run with it.  Also, stutters are sometimes apparently known to return to seniors.  

I was always wondering about the idea that he's never been a good speaker.  Getting elected many times to high offices means to me he is a good speaker.  He's not a great orator but neither is McConnell who is rather deadpan and doesn't have passion.  But they can get elected.  

As agist as it sounds, I do sometimes wish the elderly in government (and the Supreme Court) would step aside.  They are very driven people their entire lives and I think they know nothing else, and I think tend to be in reasonable health and they are fairly elected.  They are good at what they do because of experience.  

Social media isn't particularly kind, as well as a 24 hour news cycle when an elderly senator or president missteps.  If it were anyone else we'd chalk it up to them having a "senior moment", but their jobs are too important.

Mitch McConnel who on more than one occasion I've said is at the top of his game, but he is 80 and it's a game he's learned how to play.  There has been some speculation about his mental faculties.  Feinstein is 88 now and there have been some speculation about hers as well.

 

 

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13 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

I don't know about an Obama introduction like that.  It makes sense to me that Biden might mention the stutter occasionally.  It's not surprising that today's republican rhetoric would try to spin that stutter into evidence of something to be fineness about. 

Trump is the first president who, in public, has ridiculed people for physical handicaps so why would Biden's stutter even be mentioned in a Google search of Biden previous to the Trump presidency.  It was Trump and Sean Hannity who started the big lie that his stutter is made up.  It only takes a modicum of curiosity and a computer to dig up the real story.  Oh, BTW, has anyone seen the Trump Guide for Kids that Mike Huckebee has developed.  Trumpbundle.thekidsguide.com.  Can't make it up!  Good use of the tactics of the Hitler Youth Group.

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16 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

No, I'm giving you room to admit that you didn't pay attention and you aren't that familiar with stuttering anyway.  Maybe you'd rather leave the impression that you are hyping up a stutter as evidence of cognitive decline in an old guy. 

So, despite any evidence to support it, and plenty to the contrary, you're still sticking to your statement?:

"There has been been evidence of Biden's stutter all through his public speaking life, maybe you didn't notice before he became the focus of partisan animosity."

I'm not sure why you're repeating the false claim that I am equating Biden's stutter with his mental decline.  

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