President Biden thread

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

5 hours ago, Beerman said:

Is this a serious post?

Yep. Serious as millions of gullible people believing that the 2020 election was fraught with fraud which then justifies putting limits on voting and giving electoral power to legislators.  As serious as electing uneducated trouble makers like Taylor-Greene to congress.  I'm guessing that you haven't read much about how Trump has damaged our federal government.  No surprise there.  I suspect that you are way too busy holding the current president to an entirely different set of standards than you applied to the previous president to read much recent history. 

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You did not answer the question asked, regarding this:

9 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The Trump administration intentionally broke things so that you could blame Biden.  Trump counted on a percentage of his followers being so blinded by partisan animus and propaganda that they would be unable resist.  We see the fruits of his efforts here. 

What exactly did the Trump administration "intentionally break?"  And as you assert this was an attempt to place blame on the Biden administration don't include anything initiated prior to 4 November.

23 minutes ago, chare said:

You did not answer the question asked, regarding this:

What exactly did the Trump administration "intentionally break?"  And as you assert this was an attempt to place blame on the Biden administration don't include anything initiated prior to 4 November.

He certainly broke the spirit of the tariffs against China when he used a billion dollars of taxpayer money to pay off farmers.  IMHO, he broke the law when he encouraged his minions to go to the capital and change the outcome of the election.  It broke me that America elected him. 

15 minutes ago, subee said:

He certainly broke the spirit of the tariffs against China when he used a billion dollars of taxpayer money to pay off farmers.  IMHO, he broke the law when he encouraged his minions to go to the capital and change the outcome of the election.  It broke me that America elected him. 

Thank you, but this didn't answer my question.  What exactly did Mr. Trump, or any member of his administration, "intentionally break" after 3 November.  

58 minutes ago, chare said:

And who were the Secretaries of Defense and State when the Afghanistan withdrawal was conducted?

ETA: Or is you mentioned in another post, is this another incident where the "Trump administration intentionally broke thins so that you could blame Biden?"

The military screwed the Afghanistan withdrawal up. The Trump administration took military money for a wall and interfered in the "planning" that political appointee Mark Esper told us was happening.  Trump most definitely politicized the military and diminished public trust in "his generals" when he convinced them to play along dieing his single disastrous term.   

I'm surprised how many people don't recognize that Trump is a corrupt and deeply vindictive man.  That type of personality is certainly capable of and even likely to try to create havoc and as many messes as particle on their way out the door after a humiliating defeat in public opinion and voting. 

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/04/951203109/trump-and-the-military-what-an-erratic-commander-in-chief-leaves-behind

Fortunately, President Biden understands that the military and the DOJ should not be the lap dogs of the chief executive. 

2 hours ago, Beerman said:

I thought Trump tried to overturn an election and led a insurrection in a attempt to stay in power.  Seems odd he would have "intentionally broke things" that he planned to inherit.

Why would that seem odd to you.  Trump doesn't care about a functioning democracy or federal government, he cares about his power and wealth.  That was clearly evidenced by his presidency and the events of January 6. Vindictive bullies would rather break a valuable than let someone else win it in a fair contest. 

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Exactly who are the stupid people, and how did they get us to where we are now in the pandemic?

The stupid people are the people refusing to vaccinate against covid because of their political beliefs which have them looking for public health guidance on their social media and in radio rhetoric rather than from the accountable experts. 

3 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

1 hour ago, chare said:

And who were the Secretaries of Defense and State when the Afghanistan withdrawal was conducted?

ETA: Or is you mentioned in another post, is this another incident where the "Trump administration intentionally broke thins so that you could blame Biden?"

The military screwed the Afghanistan withdrawal up. The Trump administration took military money for a wall and interfered in the "planning" that political appointee Mark Esper told us was happening.  Trump most definitely politicized the military and diminished public trust in "his generals" when he convinced them to play along dieing his single disastrous term.   

So, you're not going to answer my question?

2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Getting out of Afghanistan was a win/win [emphasis added]. The military told us they were planning all of 2020 for that withdrawal per Esper...I guess they needed more time or money or something because their plans were problematic.  The military seems to have a problem executing the plans that they want us to have confidence in.  The state department wasted most of 2020 and made zero headway in identifying and relocating or allies in the country, that was Pompeo's agenda. 

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Win/win? Really? I think the Afghanis might have something to say about this.  

If Mr. Trump's plan was such a dumpster fire, it never should have been implemented.  However, since it was, and was implemented by Mr. Biden's administration, any blame poor planning and implementation needs to be placed on Mr. Austin, Mr. Blinken, and General Milley, as they were responsible for its implementation.

1 hour ago, chare said:

You did not answer the question asked, regarding this:

What exactly did the Trump administration "intentionally break?"  And as you assert this was an attempt to place blame on the Biden administration don't include anything initiated prior to 4 November.

The federal government puts out a ‘help wanted’ notice as Biden seeks to undo Trump cuts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/21/biden-trump-government-rebuilding/

Trump wasn't interested in making government work well.  He was interested in installing loyalists and thinning the work force.  

2 minutes ago, chare said:

So, you're not going to answer my question?

Win/win? Really? I think the Afghanis might have something to say about this.  

If Mr. Trump's plan was such a dumpster fire, it never should have been implemented.  However, since it was, and was implemented by Mr. Biden's administration, any blame poor planning and implementation needs to be placed on Mr. Austin, Mr. Blinken, and General Milley, as they were responsible for its implementation.

The military is responsible for the failed withdrawal.  They had 20 years and billions of dollars for planning. 

4 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The federal government puts out a ‘help wanted’ notice as Biden seeks to undo Trump cuts

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/21/biden-trump-government-rebuilding/

Trump wasn't interested in making government work well.  He was interested in installing loyalists and thinning the work force.  

Got it, you're not going to answer this either.

I don't think Trump deliberately broke things to make it hard on Biden, that's a bit too conspiracy theorist for me.

But it was quite clear that even prior to January 6th, he wasn't interested in a smooth transition.  As evidenced by his refusal to concede or cooperate with a transition of power.  

He also locked in policies that would make Biden's agenda harder according to the New York Times.  But I suppose people aren't going to fault him for that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/21/us/politics/trump-biden-transition.html

As far as Afghanistan we've had this discussion at the time it happened.  Trump started it and Biden finished it.  Biden owns it.  Withdrawing was the right thing to do but not all Afghani's are going to say it was a win win situation.  The families of the dead soldiers in those final hours aren't going to say it's a win-win.  

4 minutes ago, Tweety said:

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But it was quite clear that even prior to January 6th, he wasn't interested in a smooth transition.  As evidenced by his refusal to concede or cooperate with a transition of power.  

He also locked in policies that would make Biden's agenda harder according to the New York Times.  But I suppose people aren't going to fault him for that.

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Completely agree.  Unfortunately Mr. Trump wasn't the first to do this, nor do I think he'll be the last.

9 minutes ago, chare said:

Completely agree.  Unfortunately Mr. Trump wasn't the first to do this, nor do I think he'll be the last.

I think most presidents cooperated with a smooth transition of power but can agree they also would solidify their legacy and agenda to make it harder to undo should the president be of a different mindset and party.  

Obama did this although Trump slowly but surely tried to undo everything with Obama's stamp on it.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obama-legacy-20161110-story.html