Preceptorship: My Nursing Student Didn't Take Me Seriously Because of My Age

I wasn't planning on posting my encounter with this student I had a semester ago. Until the student's clinical instructor returned to my unit the following semester. I was pulled aside and was given a formal apology for the behavior of said student. Nurses Announcements Archive

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I graduated and became a licensed RN at the age of 21. I started working a med/surg floor just a few months later. I'll post detail of my student pathway in the comments.

After I just reached my one year mark working in my unit, I was given a student to assist caring for a patient with a small bowel obstruction.

The issues with my student follows (no particular order)...

1) Pt had a mediport and MD allowed to access because of multiple electrolyte infusions. I informed student what I was going to do. He thought a mediport was a brand name needle for a peripheral IV and wanted to insert himself for more practice. I explained the difference between a central and peripheral IV, but he insisted to insert. I asked the instructor if it was in his scope of practice and, of course, it wasn't

2) I inserted an NGT for my patient. I called for xray to verify placement prior to leaving for lunch. I returned, did rounds for my other 4 patients and came back to my students and patient. During this time, my break relief informed that the student walked the patient around the hallway. When they returned, the NGT was out and I ask why I wasn't informed immediately. His response was, "She sneezed it out. You weren't here. I told my instructor. I figured she would have told you."

3) My patient was pain management around the clock and my student attempted to advocate for pain medications. I praised for his assessment. I asked him to take vital signs and report the respiratory rate and O2 sat. IT WAS 9 and 87% I rechecked and it was still 9. I questioned the student what was a common clinical side effect of opioids. He confidentially said "Addiction." I corrected that it was not pertinent to the current situation and I explained respiratory depression. He was adamant that addiction was correct and went to his instructor to validate. I was right.

4) I tried to explain that an IVF Normal Saline bolus and IVPB of anything does not infuse simultaneously and we would require a second IV pump. He still didn't understand and asked for clarification with his instructor. The instructor said verbatim of what I said including the use of a y-port.

5) Student saw my patient's K+ 3.3 and immediately gave orange juice. I explained it wouldn't bring up the K level compared to IVF and I asked if he was mixing it up with blood glucose levels. He didn't understand went straight to his instructor before I could explain.

6) The clinical instructor wanted the student to practice hanging IVPBs. I informed the student that we will be hanging K+ replacements. We met in the patient's room and I sat the supplies down on the clean bedside table. Before I could verify/scan patient identity, my student started opening IV tubes from the packages and was about to pike the potassium back and I firmly told him to stop. He dropped everything and said "fine." I explained, that I need to perform the 5 rights (there are probably more) of medication administration. We completed the task and he stormed off.

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The instructor found out that the student (while walking to his car) openly admitted to his classmates he couldn't take someone who was younger than him seriously. He got wind of my age from his classmates. Per the instructor, this student had a health care work history (non-nursing) and the program was just a filler until he can apply to medical school.

In the end, no patient harm was done. I understand what it was like to be a nursing student and I stayed patient. I always educate and make sure my students are always safe in any patient interaction. I took theses small circumstances as teaching points for any nursing student having a rotation for my unit.

Specializes in Psych (25 years), Medical (15 years).
3ringnursing said:
This is such an old person thing to say (because let's face it - I am old! :woot: )

the primary concern that screams DANGER WILL ROBINSON (look up the term online if you are unfamiliar with it)

Takes me back:

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Seriously, great post, 3ring!

Specializes in ICU; Telephone Triage Nurse.
Davey Do said:
Takes me back:

Seriously, great post, 3ring!

Davey Do - I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE your masterful creations! I got a much needed chuckle. :laugh:

(((You forgot to draw me sitting next to you - but give me a propeller hat?))).

Specializes in ICU; Telephone Triage Nurse.
Davey Do said:
Takes me back:

Seriously, great post, 3ring!

LOLOLOLOLOL

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HalfBoiled said:
I was two years ahead in high school graduating at the age of 16.

I finished my nursing pre-reqs within two years and got accepted to a local state college nursing program (BSN) at 18.

I graduated nursing school, passed my NCLEX, and was hired at 21. (Very emotional year).

You seem like a great nurse!

But, that student will hurt someone if he has not already done so.

I would have told his instructor about everything he did. I actually think you should have emailed the DON!

Not everyone is meant to be nurse.

Specializes in Surgical ICU, PACU, Educator.

This student needed to be firmly addressed by the instructor at the time. As a Nursing Instructor I always asked the co assigned nurses to come to me immediately with any issues.

You mentioned the instructor apologized to you for the behavior of that student during the next term. That instructor was tuned in to what happened the day you refer to by subsequent behavior problems.*

The student demonstrated behavior that indicates to me they will be dangerous as a nurse. * As the RN you are responsible for patient safety. You do not need to defend yourself due to age or gender to a student. You were very tolerant putting up with the student behavior. Take the next student out to the instructor. Keep up the good work!

TriciaJ said:
They don't guarantee any quality. I overheard one nursing instructor tell a student "In this program you set your own learning goals." ***** And no student ever decreased my work load.

Eh, sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Yes, it takes longer to do things when I'm going through and explaining what I'm doing. There are days when I'm barely keeping my head above water, and they're just tagging along as I race from here to there. But if they're giving meds with an instructor, it can be a big time-saver to have part of my morning med pass done for me. Dressing changes can also be much better if I've got a student to help position a patient or even do the dressing change with the instructor. Even doing patient care can really help because if we're busy, the PCTs are probably swamped, too, and a student toileting a patient frees me up for other things.

In return, I like to look out for them, and if I'm doing something I think they might want to see, I'll go to the nursing instructor and say something like, "I'm going to be hanging blood. Would any of your students like to see the process?" Or I'll offer to let a student do a bladder scan or remove a foley with me (or watch me insert a foley, since I don't think they're currently allowed to insert per hospital policy). I always ask the patient first, but sometimes the skills-type things happen on patients none of the students are assigned, so I like to give them a heads up. Most instructors and students are appreciative.

I understand how you feel, OP.

Im an instructor, we call them Clinical Facilitators over here, and I'm in my 20's. I find that some of my students don't respect me because of my age. Most will come around once they see that you are a professional with skills and knowledge but some students are resistant to the point that no matter what you do, they're still not going to respect you.

Dont take it personally, it comes from their own issues which will no doubt inhibit their own learning, and potentially their practice if they don't modify their way of their way of thinking and behaviours.

from what I've read, you've provided some exceptional learning opportunities, questioned the student effectively and responded appropriately in these instances. Since you were communicating with the instructor during these times, they would've hopefully picked up on the issues and discussed it with the student and reflected it in the students assessments.

You have fulfilled your duty as a preceptor and should be proud of your efforts! Students can be a challenge, especially on top of an already heavy workload. It is their loss that they did not accept your guidance, and I would not let that get me down. Thank you for doing your best to train future nurses. I hope the next students you have are more appreciative.

Specializes in SICU, trauma, neuro.

You have waaaay more patience than I do. :eek:

I'm a bit scared for this person's patients if and when he actually does become a doctor and one of the nurses comes to him with a K+ level of 3 and he just says "Give them orange juice". I am hoping he improves in critical thinking and humility by then!

I'm a bit scared for this person's patients if and when he actually does become a doctor and one of the nurses comes to him with a K+ level of 3 and he just says "Give them orange juice". I am hoping he improves in critical thinking and humility by then!

OP, you did all the right things and handled everything beautifully!

Specializes in Emergency Room.

You sound like an excellent nurse and I love reading posts like this that exemplify what the nursing profession truly is. Keep up the good work and continue to provide safe care. Trust me, this nursing student will never forget you. If he is ever successful in his future endeavors there will be plenty of times he will wish that someone told him the right information instead of letting him " find out for yourself " at the expense of patient safety.

HalfBoiled said:

The instructor found out that the student (while walking to his car) openly admitted to his classmates he couldn't take someone who was younger than him seriously. He got wind of my age from his classmates. Per the instructor, this student had a health care work history (non-nursing) and the program was just a filler until he can apply to medical school.

In the end, no patient harm was done. I understand what it was like to be a nursing student and I stayed patient. I always educate and make sure my students are always safe in any patient interaction. I took theses small circumstances as teaching points for any nursing student having a rotation for my unit.

First of all, I'm so sorry you had to deal with such an unpleasant fellow! I'm surprised he didn't receive a Clinical Warning (or whatever disciplinary method his Nursing School uses) for his lack of preparedness AND professionalism (and basic human decency).

Secondly, your students are so lucky! Many nurses don't have the time or patience to deal with student nurses, and just ignore them (or hide - yes it's happened!). I consider myself fortunate when a nurse allows me to ask questions and takes the time to respond. When I've had nurse who offer rationales, information, and explanations and encourage questioning; I am incredibly grateful!

It sounds like you are a wonderful teacher and nurse. Please keep it up! Even if that student didn't properly appreciate you, I can assure you that other students will. I'd love to meet you in my Clinical rotations!!!

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